Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44872 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2004 01:55:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jul 2004 01:55:58 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BnSor-000EqT-3V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 02:56:25 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BnSor-000EqQ-0r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 02:56:25 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BnSoO-000Aeu-1I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:55:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BnSnu-0004YV-8u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 02:55:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BnSnt-0004YM-UH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 02:55:25 +0100 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.206]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BnSnq-0000Hg-Gx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 02:55:25 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id l.148.2ee559a3 (3866) for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:55:12 -0400 (EDT) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <148.2ee559a3.2e307880@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:55:12 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285 Subject: Re: LF: Loops v Verticals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) In a message dated 7/21/04 2:28:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, m.underhill@eim.surrey.ac.uk writes: > The type of environment is an essential part of the > equation and so results in different environments are particularly > of interest. This is exactly the crux of the matter. Mathematically, for a given height of electrically short vertical antenna, a loop having the same diameter (or else the same length and height) will be the inferior performer IF both are in the clear--and, it is directional, which may be disadvantageous. If they are not in the clear, environmental factors degrade the vertical's field strength faster than the loop's. This is a dreadfully old and pointless debate. Mathematically and empirically, the results have long been established. Huge verticals=wonderful at LF if you have the wherewithal. Short verticals=acceptable if you have adequate clear space and ground conductivity. Loops of comparable dimensions to small vertical=compromised performance, but far from useless! If one is not among the chosen few with half-vast tracts of land for an antenna farm, he must sometimes make compromises to accomplish anything at all.