Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33721 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2004 21:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jul 2004 21:12:54 -0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BlwVu-000Lk1-L1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:14:34 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BlwUG-000MlP-JD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:12:52 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BlwTs-0000hD-4T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:12:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BlwTr-0000h4-Oe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:12:27 +0100 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BlwTo-0006m3-5P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:12:27 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (rsgb?lf?group@blacksheep.org@213.122.18.83 with poptime) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2004 21:12:17 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c46c42$b3e9c5a0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002201c46c3d$060963a0$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:11:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=1.052,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: clicking matching transformer... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Scott I think Jim M0BMU is the guy you need to discuss this with but from my experiments (mainly with class E single ended) 200V working FETs might be ok at about 36 V volts but would certainly be marginal at 48. the drain volts can rise to 4 times the dc supply voltage on peaks. Add in a little "off-tune" and it can be higher. I have 500 volt devices pencilled in for the 50 volt supply. I do find a "click" from my feed choke when the key goes down.... there is a physical movement of the wires round the core. (that is 36 V and about 5 amps) even into a resistive dummy load. I suppose the only way to soft keying would be to "PWM" the drive during keying. I believe that if you use the keying / drive circuit used by Dave G0MRF and also G3YXM with the TI fet driver chip (TC4426).....this does soften the edges a bit in this way. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Tilley" To: Cc: Sent: 17 July 2004 21:31 Subject: LF: clicking matching transformer... Any thoughts on if a matching transformer should 'click' when the key is released... Obviously it is likely an inductive reaction to the rapid change in current supplied... When I connect the 48V supply to the system the finals don't last long... OK at 12 and 24V so I feel it is a inductive kickback that's blasting the 200V rated FETs... The system works great into a 6 ohm load driver pushpull without the match xfmr... It must be the inductive kickback... Perhaps the inductance of the windings it too great? Damn physics... To quote a power engineer friend of mine "it's a damn shame that FETs behave the way they do, otherwise they would be the perfect device..." Class E time? Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL' at: www.scottboxx.com/radio