Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10317 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2004 00:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jun 2004 00:52:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 76274 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2004 00:52:56 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jun 2004 00:52:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BXrKo-000Jcx-3X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 00:52:54 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BXrJo-0000sV-Rl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 01:51:52 +0100 Received: from [213.232.95.59] (helo=relay.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BXrJn-0000sM-HS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 01:51:51 +0100 Received: from cumulus.netspace.net.au ([203.10.110.72] helo=mail.netspace.net.au) by relay.salmark.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BXxsI-0001mF-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 08:51:54 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: fred1 Received: from fred1 (unknown [210.15.252.192]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id DD8EC6B996 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:51:40 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040609105139.007f5ad0@pop.netspace.net.au> X-Sender: vk7ro@pop.netspace.net.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:51:39 +1000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Richard Rogers In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040608100555.02801340@POP3.freeler.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Effect of LP-filter om efficiency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit G'day. Robert, AX2TAR, tried transmitting without a lowpass filter. I live about 15Km from him and could barely hear the 3rd harmonic, but his 19th harmonic at about 3.4MHz was very strong. Presumably that was where his antenna wire was a half wave long and coupled through the stray capacitance across his loading coil. At 10:06 AM 6/8/04 +0200, you wrote: > To All from PA0SE > > The following subject may have been discussed on the reflector before but >I can't remember it. > > drain of the FETs is high, current is zero; when current flows voltage >is almost zero. > But what happens if the transmitter is followed by a low pass filter with >a shunt capacitor at the input, as is often the case? > > > Looking at it in the frequency domain one could say that the shunt >capacitor causes the square wave to start becoming a sine wave. > > > > a very high kick-back voltage at the drain of a single-ended amplifier, >almost certain killing the transistor. > amplifier this is prevented by the other transistor that starts to >conduct at the same moment. > Provided of course coupling between the two halves of the primary winding >is very tight. > > So it seems to me that class D and E amplifiers should preferably be >followed by a low pass filter with a series inductor at the transmitter side. > > Please correct me if my conclusion is not valid. > > An interesting question is whether a low pass filter is really necessary >when the transmitter feeds the aerial via a series tuning coil. > Harry Grimbergen, PA0LQ, has given this some thought and he says the >following (my translation). > Quote: > The third harmonic of a square wave is 9.5 dB weaker than the basic >frequency. On the other hand radiation resistance increases with frequency >squared; 9 dB for d3. > Nevertheless harmonics will be suppressed almost 50 dB. > > About 16% of the power in a square wave is in the harmonics and this power >is reflected back into the final amplifier. > I have been able to show this also using simulation by MICROCAP. > Unquote. > > The Netherlands would be that the radio inspector does not measure >harmonics as field strength but as power in the output of the transmitter >(or LP-filter, when present). So selectivity of the aerial system does not >help. > > Any comments will be very welcome. > > 73, Dick, PA0SE > > > 73, Ric, VK7RO