Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56942 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2004 10:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2004 10:11:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 61968 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2004 10:11:07 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2004 10:11:04 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BeA9I-000FDv-2z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:11:04 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BeA8c-0000BZ-Pj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:10:22 +0100 Received: from [213.232.95.59] (helo=relay.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BeA8b-0000BP-De for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:10:21 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay.salmark.net with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BeGh0-0004Ie-DM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:10:18 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO rogersservices) (james.moritz@81.131.195.208 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2004 10:09:57 -0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rogersservices) Message-ID: <000b01c45b65$023d1ac0$d0c38351@rogersservices> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c45b0a$de3c2260$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:03:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Earthing systems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Melia To: LF-Group Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 12:19 AM Subject: LF: Earthing systems > Hi all, I offer below, culled from the LWCA message board, a description of > an "improved" eathing system for LF. To me this does not make sense, but > maybe I am missing something...any thoughts anywhere?? I can see that the > small inductance of the very short (45feet..14m) "radial" could "impede" the > passage of current collected at the remote ground spike, but I do not really > see what is happening. We may have to wait for the article to hear the full > measurement detail. I am worried that he has measured the soil conductivity > at 60Hz ....this has little relation to ground loss effects at 136 to > 180kHz....though maybe if it drops at 60Hz it is somewhat better at 136 ?? > ..... Dear Alan, LF Group, I tried some experiments along these lines a year or so ago, and can confirm that the length of the wire connecting to the earth rods does indeed make a lot of difference to the distribution of current. For a wire near ground level connected to a ground spike at the far end, I reckoned that the inductance was of the order of 1uH/m, and radials of the order of 10s of metres long therefore have inductive reactance of the order of 10s of ohms - comparable with the resistance of the ground rod - soil interface. The result of this is that if you have numerous ground rods at different distances from the feed point, the vast majority of the ground current flows through the few rods nearest the feed point, since the return path for the antenna current through the ground has lower overall impedance than the path through the longer radials. This is one of the reasons why adding to the ground system does not make much difference to the loss resistance of the antenna once you get past a certain number of ground rods/radials - the more distant ground rods carry very little current, and so make very little difference to the current paths and losses. "Ed G"'s capacitors are one way to even up the impedance in the different ground paths (if you assume 1uH/m, they come out about right at 180kHz) - I tried two other ways. One was to have a central connecting point for all the ground rods under the centre of the antenna, connected via a "bus" wire back to the (inverted L) feed point . The 12 ground rods were in a rough circle, so current had to flow the same length of wire to get to any ground rod. The other way was to add inductance in series with the shorter ground connections to give them roughly the same impedance as the long ones. (Note that in either case, the ground connection at the antenna is somewhat above "earth" potential at RF, so an isolating transformer or common-mode choke in the TX feed is needed to stop most of the current flowing in the transmitter earth connection). Both techniques were succesful in producing roughly equal current in all the ground rods, but the bad news was that, in spite of trying several configurations, only about 10% reduction in antenna loss was achieved (i.e. about 0.5dB improvement). I went back to the original ground system of 6 rods within a couple of metres of the antenna feed, because by now the garden was festooned in wires with ground rods poking up everywhere! Looking in the literature, similar schemes for producing even ground current distribution used to be popular for VLF antennas in the 1920s and 30s, some with elaborate systems of "balancing coils" and over-ground distribution wiring, and "multiple tuned" antennas, but these seem to have been replaced later by very extensive buried radial systems, which gave better performance with fewer maintenance problems. As discussed on the reflector some time ago, and based on this and other experiments, I came to the view that for typical amateur antennas, the majority of the loss occurs as dielectric loss in the ground due to the electric field of the antenna, instead of in the ground return path resistance, as seems to be true of the larger professional LF and VLF antennas. In order to reduce this significantly, there would have to be a large enough number of radials to form an electrostatic screen between the antenna and the lossy soil underneath. Maybe 134 radials is enough to achieve this, but I think they would also have to be quite long in order to intercept most of the electric field around the antenna. For Eu amateurs, I think a more effective approach would be to increase the amount of top loading capacitance, so reducing antenna voltage and dielectric loss - but of course, the Lowfer part 15 regulations place severe limits on the amount of wire in the antenna. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU