Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39566 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2004 23:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 2004 23:20:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 89109 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2004 23:20:45 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 2004 23:20:44 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bdzzw-000N3R-5C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:20:44 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bdzyw-0001oO-EW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:19:42 +0100 Received: from [213.232.95.59] (helo=relay.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bdzyv-0001oF-Qy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:19:41 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay.salmark.net with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Be6XK-0003XR-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:19:38 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (rsgb?lf?group@blacksheep.org@213.122.153.117 with poptime) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2004 23:19:25 -0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <000901c45b0a$de3c2260$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:19:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Earthing systems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi all, I offer below, culled from the LWCA message board, a description of an "improved" eathing system for LF. To me this does not make sense, but maybe I am missing something...any thoughts anywhere?? I can see that the small inductance of the very short (45feet..14m) "radial" could "impede" the passage of current collected at the remote ground spike, but I do not really see what is happening. We may have to wait for the article to hear the full measurement detail. I am worried that he has measured the soil conductivity at 60Hz ....this has little relation to ground loss effects at 136 to 180kHz....though maybe if it drops at 60Hz it is somewhat better at 136 ?? --------------------------------- Hi Eric, I'm working on an article for an upcoming LOWDOWN on the system, but briefly, it goes like this; at the far end of EACH radial is a 4 or 8 ft ground rod (most are 8') with a series capacitor between the radial end and the ground rod. This capacitor is VERY important as it cancels out the XL of the buried radial and really maximizes the available current in said radial.Here, on a 45' radial(the longest) it requires a 0.047uF value. On the 20 footers,(the shortest) it runs about 0.15 uF. The bad news is I have 134 radials!! Lots of expense and lots of exercise.(I LOVE to experiment) Hope this info helps you. 73, Ed G. ------------------------------- 0.047nF resonates with 29uH at 136 and about 16uH at 180Khz....my belief is that a short wire (less than a 1/4wave is capacitive not inductive at LF, though a straight piece of insulated wire measured away from resonance will have some inductance. My though is if this really does work it could be helpful tho those with short back gradens, but I worry that Ed may not have measured the aerial system properly and could maybe be fooling himself (I've done it myself before I started to use an RF bridge) I am not trying to nit-pick on Ed's energetic works, but would like to ask him the right questions (maybe suggest some different measurements) so that we could, maybe, understand what is happening. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btintermnet.com