Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89207 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2004 20:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore03.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Apr 2004 20:28:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 82407 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2004 20:28:46 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Apr 2004 20:28:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BAEEX-000L6A-9G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:28:45 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BAEDr-0008AS-2R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:28:03 +0100 Received: from [213.232.95.59] (helo=relay.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BAEDq-0008AJ-JR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:28:02 +0100 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay.salmark.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BAEDn-0004vs-HO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:27:59 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: fwd03.aul.t-online.de Received: from fwd03.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1BAEDl-00071W-0B; Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:27:57 +0200 X-Fake-Domain: (V8HJLEZCoeOUKasmyIB+nzSFXLybxbpLm33AOar7shCX-M6PGAzdkM@[62.158.13.39]) Received: from (V8HJLEZCoeOUKasmyIB+nzSFXLybxbpLm33AOar7shCX-M6PGAzdkM@[62.158.13.39]) by fwd03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1BAEDj-0qGOK80; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 22:27:55 +0200 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c41907$300adbe0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <4920234613.20040403155133@dx.ru> <1BAC1j-0c5Y120@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> <002e01c41a7d$a311bf60$6507a8c0@Main> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 22:27:55 +0200 Message-ID: <1BAEDj-0qGOK80@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: V8HJLEZCoeOUKasmyIB+nzSFXLybxbpLm33AOar7shCX-M6PGAzdkM X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.574 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 700pF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Alan Melia schrieb: > Hi Uwe, I would not expect a non-resonant pole at 8m from the aerial > vertical section to make a lot of difference or produce much loss. If it > were resonant at 136khz it would be different. Our measurement at EI0CF were > similar and it was only necessary to detune one aerial to remove the loss. > 700pF seems a lot for a 17m pole ....I would have expected more like > 85-90pF, but it depends on how you measured it. Lossy environment like trees > and wet brickwork is more of a problem. Are you just using a vertical > without any top capacity loading ?? > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > alan.melia@btinternet.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> > To: > Sent: 04 April 2004 19:07 > Subject: LF: 700pF > > > > Hi, > > > > I measured the FS of my 600W tx equipment with 3.2mV/m in a distance of > 1.7km > > some month ago. > > > > there is a 17m alu pole (SM17, Bundeswehr surplus) located 8m off the tx > aerial > > (16m vertical with elevated coil). > > > > last week I insolated the alu pole and its guy wires completly against > earth by > > lifting it up as it stands (with supreme effort by my assisting > neighbours). > > > > I had hopes the effort would have some positive results conc the FS: > > I measure 700pF form pole against the earth radial system but the FS did > not > > change, it stubborn shows 3.2mV/m. > > > > regards from frustrated > > Uwe/dj8wx > > > > Dear Alan, three longwires 70m each are connected to the Vertical. the 17m pole has en summa 12 guys of steel 5mm dia. may be thats the reason for high capacity. best regards Uwe/dj8wx