Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85331 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2004 17:41:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore04.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Apr 2004 17:41:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 75525 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2004 17:41:44 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Apr 2004 17:41:42 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BD5RG-000JPM-Cu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:41:42 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BD5QF-0000Gd-J3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:40:39 +0100 Received: from [213.232.95.59] (helo=relay.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BD5QF-0000GU-0b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:40:39 +0100 Received: from uranium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.89]) by relay.salmark.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BD5QC-0005cP-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:40:36 +0100 Received: from [213.122.147.88] (helo=rogersservices) by uranium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1BD5QA-0003ZT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:40:35 +0100 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rogersservices) Message-ID: <000d01c420b4$9e93b960$58937ad5@rogersservices> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20040411053239.NYFR13120.web4-rme.xtra.co.nz@[127.0.0.1]> <007101c41f87$3ce0ada0$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <11050987609.20040411095712@73.ru> <009101c42003$f14afa30$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <005101c42029$2c83ce40$6bcc8351@rogersservices> <000701c4208d$1f6f9360$27d0fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:35:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: O copy of RN6BN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 > > Try a similar antenna system and power as RN6BN and you might succeed. > Except you are exceptionally lucky and the wind is in the right direction a > 40ft pole and a 100 ft or so of wire will not do the trick. > RN6BN considering the distance difference was nearly as strong as you last > night !!!!!!!!!! I have heard you stronger in the past. Dear Mal, LF Group, The fact that the ZL boys did not see my signals last night comes as no surprise - in fact, because it was still daylight here, I had to use my "daytime" antenna configuration, resulting in only about 400mW ERP. Whether an extra 4dB to the 1W ERP limit would make a difference I don't know, but this was not what I found interesting. I suppose one could put the unsuccessful attempts at receiving ZL6QH in the past down to the fact that there is virtually no darkness path to ZL from western Europe, whilst, for RN6BN, being further east means an hour or two when the whole path is in darkness. However, this would not really explain the negative results trying to receive UA0LE in Europe, whilst excellent reception of Ed's signal was had in ZL. With the big antenna Ed was using, we should have been able to copy him, even if our signals were too weak for Ed to see. If one accepts that propagation is via multiple reflections from the lower layers of the ionosphere, it would seem that a huge number of hops would be required to cover the distances involved. It seems as if some LF propagation paths work much better than others; I would be interested to know why. I am currently (1730z) transmitting on 137.7035kHz again; RN6BN is "O" copy on 137.7026kHz, to the nearest 0.1Hz Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU