Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89180 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2004 10:18:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore03.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Apr 2004 10:18:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 66946 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2004 10:18:14 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Apr 2004 10:18:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BBt5Q-000HGr-Tm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 10:18:13 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BBt4Q-0007Z9-St for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:17:10 +0100 Received: from [213.232.95.59] (helo=relay.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BBt4Q-0007Z0-C7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:17:10 +0100 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176]) by relay.salmark.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BBt4L-0005nK-IH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:17:05 +0100 Received: from [213.122.192.187] (helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1BBt4K-0002Wd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:17:04 +0100 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <000001c41e1b$cfebbda0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 10:42:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,TW_KM=0.077 Subject: LF: DCF39 in ZL again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi again Mike, there seems to be a concensus that you have a trace of DCF39.....well done !! It is not absolutely necessary for both ends to be in darkness for the path to exist. First it is the position of darkness at 100kms altitude that seems to be important. Then the path will probably exist if the darkness line is not more than 1000kms away (approximately the length of a "half hop"). I have received traces from Joe VO1NA when the night-time shadow was only in mid-Atlantic, suggesting that a daytime D-layer hop (or maybe two) was responsible for the first stage of the path. Signals were much weaker in this period, than later when the darkness covered the path. The path normally opens around the time that the ground shadow reaches Newfoundland and closes about an hour after (ground)dawn in the UK., though an east to west path can linger longer in winter. Conditions whilst not "very-good" at the moment, are not too bad ...a bit of a "curate's egg" There should be better nights in the coming few years. This puts up a challenge to amateurs, though it must be remembered that DCF39 has around a 36dB advantage over most stations. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com