Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69857 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 12:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore04.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 12:34:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 41999 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2004 12:34:17 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2004 12:34:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1AvblK-000AX8-Ps for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:34:11 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Avbiq-0005wl-4Z for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:31:36 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Avbio-0005wc-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:31:34 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: gemini Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1AvbeC-0002xx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:26:48 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 147.197.232.252 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=RD40004) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AvbeA-0007DP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:26:46 +0000 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:26:46 -0000 Organization: University of Hertfordshire X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (RD40004) Message-ID: <000001c3fad1$785a5280$fce8c593@RD40004> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: RE: RF Current meter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=DRASTIC_REDUCED autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Dear Gary, LF Group, The RF ammeter circuit in the LF handbook and on K0LR's web page uses a current transformer to develop a voltage of a few volts across a load resistor when the appropriate RF current is flowing in the primary. This voltage is then measured by a simple diode voltmeter to indicate the current. Sounds pretty simple then, but some pitfalls are possible with an RF ammeter of this type... The first thing is that, in order to obtain a reading that is not highly dependent on the ferrite properties or the operating frequency, the inductive reactance of the secondary winding must be much larger than the load resistance. E.g., in the case of the design in the handbook, the load resistor is 470ohms, and at 136k a secondary inductance of several mH would be desirable. To obtain this with the 50turn winding of the handbook design, the specific inductance of the ferrite core used must be a few thousand nH/turn. This is readily achieved by high permeability ferrite cores (relative permeability in the thousands)- HF ferrite materials, or iron dust materials have too low permeability. However, if such a core is split to make a clamp-on meter, it is essential that the two halves meet together very accurately - even a tiny, practically invisible, air gap will result in a drastic reduction in inductance. The winding inductance has a shunting effect, so if the inductance is too low, the meter will read low, decreasing in proportion to frequency below some cut-off frequency (1/(2pi*L/R))- which may be what is happening in Gary's case. The second thing is the response of the voltmeter. The diode voltmeter will be non-linear, reading low at low voltages due to the forward drop of the diode. Increasing the RF load resistor will increase the voltage for a given current, and so improve voltmeter accuracy, but will require higher current transformer secondary inductance . The minimum errors at low frequency will occur with lower values of load resistor. The accuracy of the diode voltmeter will be improved by increasing the DC resistance of the load, so it would be best to use the lowest-current meter movement available. This also means that for Gary to extend the range of his meter upwards, it would be better to reduce the load resistor connected across the current transformer secondary, rather than shunt the meter movement. Shunting the meter movement will increase the output current required from the rectifier, increasing the error due to the voltage drop across the diode, again tending to make the meter read low. ...So, as usual, simple circuits have more to them than at first it seems. A slightly different way of doing the same job is to dispense with the RF load resistor, and feed all the RF current from the current transformer through a bridge rectifier, and measure it with a low-impedance DC ammeter. This makes the voltage across the current transformer secondary as low as possible (the rectifier voltage drop, plus the DC drop across the ammeter), minimising the shunting effect of the winding inductance. Also, the accuracy and linearity is pretty good even at low currents with this circuit, because the current transformer secondary voltage is always just what it needs to be to drive the rectifier. I used this approach for my LF tuning meter design to produce an ammeter with switchable 2A/6A FSD - see http://www.picks.plus.com/software/LFtunemeter.pdf on G3YXM's web pages. The ammeter part is T3, D7-D10 and the associated resistors and meter, and could be used by itself, of course. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU