Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41171 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 10:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 10:55:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 77881 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2004 10:55:55 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2004 10:55:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ad5vG-000K9Z-0n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2004 10:55:54 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ad5ux-0006SI-TJ for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2004 10:55:35 +0000 Received: from [213.40.66.77] (helo=retort.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ad5ux-0006S9-2d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2004 10:55:35 +0000 Received: from [213.40.200.133] (helo=taylormade) by retort.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Ad5uR-0005nY-O7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2004 10:55:04 +0000 From: "G4WGT Gary" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 10:55:03 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Antenna's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hello again to all at LF, Happy New Year to you all. I have had a few days away over NY so I had quite a lot of e-mails to look thro'. I see that there has been some debate on antenna's again which suits me fine because I am considering trying to improve my LF antenna system. I need to improve on the support & insulation of the antenna since my recent experience with corona bringing down part of the antenna, so I going to try a different antenna arrangement at the same time. I have only got a small back garden & at the moment the arrangement is like a 80 to 90 mtr loop pulled in to the centre from the middle of the sides & then pulled upwards to the top of my 14 mtr mast & secured at the lower corners, this makes it take up a lot less space for the amount of wire used (An example of the shape is like a Maltese Cross with the centre up in a peak & the wide sides of the cross sloping steeply downwards). The "loop" is fed with 72 ohm twin feeder at the peak which allowed me to use it on the 80 M (3.5 Mhz) band with a balanced matching unit. Using this gave a great increase over the umberella top loading with 4 wires following the criteria set out on one of the web sites (I think Rik ON7YD). The new arrangement will basically be like a large bow tie shape using about 160 to 180 mtrs of wire (which is considerable more wire than the other version), the wide ends of the bow tie shape will be about 7 metres across 10 to 12 metres long & pinched together near the centre were it will be pulled up to the top of the mast. I am not sure if I should feed it at the centre (top of the mast) like a centre fed inverted V or feed it at the end like an end fed inverted V. I have seen article on the web relating to "umberella) top loading that suggests that if the top loading wires come down steeply that the vertical part of the antenna can be shielded & detracts from the performance as a vertical radiator, also that if the feeder is close to the metal mast that supports it that this also reduces performance, also it has been said that it is probably better to cover as much ground area as possible with loading wire in the space available . I would like you to look at a diagram of my idea (which is reasonably to scale) & give me your comments. This can be found at :- www.wgtaylor.talkgas.net/coilcabinet.jpg I have substituted the existing picture with the diagram hence the name coilcabinet. Please your comments direct or via LF reflector. Thanks & 73 Gary - G4WGT g4wgt@talkgas.net