Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92932 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 00:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 00:45:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 56629 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2004 00:45:24 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2004 00:45:23 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AkBvP-000Ec6-8D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:45:23 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AkBuo-0001MQ-OG for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:44:46 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AkBun-0001MH-VS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:44:46 +0000 Received: from [81.135.51.115] (helo=rogersservices) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AkBum-0000hH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:44:44 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rogersservices) Message-ID: <000d01c3e212$ba8e9120$73338751@rogersservices> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c3e02e$600a21a0$01eafc3e@l8p8y6> <001501c3e058$ba617980$2102000a@ibm> <002501c3e121$12a54fe0$2102000a@ibm> <000201c3e18c$03c4b540$40e5fc3e@l8p8y6> <002501c3e1e8$cee237a0$2102000a@ibm> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:40:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 137 kHz project......Handy cost-saving tip Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear Dick, LF Group,
 
Thinking of cheap sources of ferrite, I have used the cores from old computer monitor line output transformers for some time for supression purposes - but the type of ferrite they are made from is very similar to the 3C8/3C85/3C90 grades often used on LF PA circuits.
 
So I tried one as a power transformer - after some rough calculations I made a 1:1 transformer with 2 x 20turn windings of 1mm dia. enamelled copper wire. Feeding 500W into this made it only warm to the touch. I then tried it at 1kW continuous for several minutes, after which it was quite hot, about 60degreesC, so still OK really - I would be quite confident to use this for a PA producing several hundred watts.
 
The core I used was typical of several I have extracted from scap VGA monitors - it consists of 2 "C" shaped halves held together with a metal spring clip, and measures 63 x 39 x 14mm overall. They are usually glued into the LOPT transformer assembly, which makes them a bit hard to remove without breaking. The best way to do it I find is to cut radial slots through the moulded EHT winding with a hacksaw, and carefully break away the windings from the core. After that, seperate the two halves of the core, and remove the pieces of plastic film that maintain a gap between the mating surfaces of the core halves (important!). Then carefully clean up the mating surfaces so they fit together perfectly without a gap - any gap will greatly reduce the inductance, which you don't want to happen for a PA transformer. The way I wound the transformer was to assemble the core, then cover the centre leg with 3 layers polyester tape for insulation. Then I wound the first 20 turns onto the round centre leg as if winding a toroid, covered this with another 3 layers of tape, then the second 20 turns on top. The 20 turn winding has XL ~ 900ohms, so more than enough for a 50ohm winding. Obviously you would use fewer turns of thicker wire, or multiple parallel strands of wire , for the low impedance windings of a PA transformer.
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU