Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77793 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 13:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 13:56:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 55443 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2004 13:56:54 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2004 13:56:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ac3Jl-000EJg-8Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 01 Jan 2004 13:56:53 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ac3JJ-0004xN-S0 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2004 13:56:25 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ac3JI-0004xE-V4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2004 13:56:25 +0000 Received: from [213.122.64.74] (helo=rogersservices) by protactinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1Ac3JH-0000ae-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Jan 2004 13:56:24 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rogersservices) Message-ID: <000d01c3d06e$8aa2a240$4a407ad5@rogersservices> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:52:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: insulators / L vs T Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Dear LF Group, I had quite a lot of problems with insulators on my LF antenna (basically a 40m long x 10m high inverted L with a single top wire). When I increased TX power from about 350W to 1200W, the antenna voltage increased from very roughly 10kV to 20kV. This led to corona occuring at the ends and corners of the antenna wire, which tended to melt or set fire to the plastic insulators. This was solved by attaching corona rings about 100mm dia. made from stiff wire to each of the affected points to reduce the field gradient. At this point, I started to get corona problems with the straight parts of the antenna wire itself, which were cured by using thicker wire. For the downlead part of the antenna, I switched to ceramic insulators, since these are not flammable, allthough in themselves they would not be a cure for the corona, since the discharge would eventually erode or crack the insulator as well as wasting TX power. I retained the plastic insulators for the top section of the antenna, since they are lighter and cause less sag in the top wire, and seem to be OK with the corona rings; also, the position they are in means they probably won't set fire to anything! I kept the distance between the supporting metal poles and the ends of the wire about 4 - 5 m; allthough this reduces the length of the wire, having the wire closer to the masts causes two problems - first, there is a very high potential gradient between the end of the wire and the grounded mast if the two are close together (this could be what caused PA0SE's rope to melt), and second, the capacitance between the wire and the mast is increased, which increases the RF current flowing "downwards" in the masts, reducing the effective height of the antenna. As far as insulator materials go, the plastic ones I used were the ribbed "dogbone" type about 100mm long, which came from WH Westlake for 75p. I think they are made of polypropylene. I think most plastic materials are pretty good insulators at 136kHz, provided they are not exposed to corona. People seem to have had problems using plastic tubes; perhaps this is because moisture can accumulate inside. I have used thick nylon monofilament with good results, provided precautions against corona were taken. I have not tried phenolic laminate - I know this does absorb moisture to some extent, allthough I don't know if this has an adverse effect on its insulating properties. I believe silicone rubber based insulators are becoming popular for HV power distribution, because this material is resistant to corona, and is water-repellant too, but I don't know where you would get it from. As far as the relative merits of L vs. T antennas go, It is true that a T configuration will have a shorter path for the ground currents to flow along, and therefore reduce resistance due to this cause. Ground resistance is accepted to be the major source of loss in large commercial LF antennas, so a top load arranged about a central feed point should reduce the loss for this type of antenna. But previous discussions on this reflector have shown that the actual resistance of the ground path is only a minor contribution to the total loss resistance of much smaller amateur antennas - most of the loss in small antennas seems to be due to dielectric losses in the ground due to the high voltage gradient under the antenna. So it should be possible to reduce the losses by extending the top load, as G3AQC found out experimentally some time ago. The length of the ground path will be less significant than the area over which the electric flux of the antenna is distributed, so the size of the top load will be more important than the position of the feed point for amateur antennas (Except perhaps if you have a G3KEV-sized antenna!) A happy new year to all those on the reflector, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU