Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92818 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 13:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 13:18:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 7856 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 13:18:29 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 13:18:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUnB0-0008EZ-CW for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:17:50 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 212.1.130.141 Received: from [212.1.130.141] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUnAz-0008EQ-Tn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:17:49 +0000 Received: from [80.225.204.84] (helo=standalone) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AUnAy-00053X-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:17:49 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:15:40 -0000 Message-ID: <01C3C0B2.09F37E10.g4jnt@thersgb.net> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:15:37 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=X_PRIORITY_HIGH autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Yes please, do that. My feeling is that there 'has' to be a pi in there somewhere, Errors in H&H aren't unknown... I dislike SIN(X)/X calculations, they always involve PIs in strange places and never seem to plot out properly without some juggling of constants. Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: James Moritz [SMTP:J.R.Moritz@herts.ac.uk] Sent: 2003/12/12 11:17 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Dear Andy, LF Group I hate to throw a spanner in the works, but... A noise source of exactly this type is discussed in Horowitz & Hill "The Art of Electronics" 2nd ed., section 9.34. This gives the formula (in the form Andy has used) Vrms^2 = Vpk^2 * 2 * BW /Fclock, (giving 224mV rms) which is different by a factor of sqrt(pi) from the value Andy gets. I spent some time last night trying to figure out which one is correct, and came out with a reasonably convincing case for Horowitz & Hill's formula - if anyone is interested, I will put it into an e-mail compatible form Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU