Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29359 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 11:11:26 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 11:11:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 21441 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 11:11:26 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 11:08:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19tlwR-0005gb-3T for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:29:47 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19tlwD-0005gS-MA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:29:33 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: gemini Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19tlvt-0005lN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:29:13 +0100 X-No-DNS-For: 147.197.232.252 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19tlvs-0003z7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:29:12 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030901100341.00ad1620@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:23:53 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <001901c36f1a$cef98e00$045bfea9@RSGB613192> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030829155231.02af4b10@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20030830124931.02a8cdf0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <002201c36efa$6e12a1a0$045bfea9@RSGB613192> <000401c36f09$ae1052c0$6507a8c0@Main> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Re: GPS-locked PSK tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Dear LF Group, As a "confidence check" of the GPS time/frequency standard stability, I monitored the phase of MSF relative to the standard's 10MHz output. MSF was received using an SPM-19 selective level meter, with the 10MHz standard driving the external reference input, and the 10kHz IF output of the SLM was compared on a 'scope with the 10MHz signal divided by 1000. This allows you to see a phase change of a few degrees. So far, over about 24 hours, there has been no overall phase change, indicating that the difference in frequency is no more than a few parts in 10^12. During daylight, there were practically no visible variations in phase, but at night, fluctuations of about +/- 10 degrees occurred over a period of several minutes, accompanied by the amplitude of the MSF signal varying over a range of about 3dB. My QTH is only about 100km from MSF, so I expect the ground wave signal largely swamps variations caused by changing sky-wave. I think a DSP scheme like G4JNT is using is the best way of doing these phase measurements in the long run, but in the mean time, I intend to resurrect the "vectorscope" circuit I built a while back - this should also be able to remove the PSK modulation from the R4 and DLF carriers, with suitable choice of time constant. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU