Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4657 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 16:32:46 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 16:32:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 23767 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 16:32:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 16:32:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aHrT-0001sA-1B for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:32:07 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aHrO-0001s1-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:32:02 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19aHqE-0003yP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:30:50 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19aHqD-0004Ff-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:30:49 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030709163617.00aa8e90@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:29:23 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <000401c34628$cb8da640$6507a8c0@Main> References: <002001c34622$caa13220$80c828c3@captbrian> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Earth losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Bryan, LF Group, The ground here is a heavy clay, that remains pretty wet all year round, so I imagine fairly high conductivity. The usual ground system I use with my antenna (40m long single inverted L wire abt 10m high) is 6 x 1m long ground rods, distributed over a few m radius around the antenna feed point. This arrangement has a loss resistance of about 36 ohms. Using just a single ground rod increased this to 56 ohms, so I estimate the resistance of each rod is about 20 ohms. I have tried several larger arrays of ground rods (it is then necessary to make arrangements to equalise the currents in the ground rods) - but the best result I have achieved so far was to reduce the loss resistance to 33 ohms - so a point of diminishing returns is quickly reached. I also tried a counterpoise system; covering the whole available area (about 50m x 12m) in counterpoise wires about 2m off the ground and 1.5m apart. The best result with this system was to reduce the loss resistance also by about 10%. I think a counterpoise works in two ways - firstly, it acts as a large area, capacitive ground connection. but as the ground rod experiments showed, this does not seem to make a lot of difference. Also, it acts as a screen between the antenna and the actual ground, which prevents the electric field of the antenna reaching the lossy dielectric of the soil, and provides a metallic return circuit for the ground return currents. But for me, and I imagine most other amateurs, the available area for a counterpoise is much too small to intercept a large proportion of the field of the antenna. so it has a limited effect. The same kind of argument would apply to buried radials. It seems to me that the majority of loss in small amateur LF antennas is caused by dielectric losses, partly in objects around the antenna like buildings and trees, and partly in the ground itself under the antenna. This is bourne out by measurements which show that loss resistance falls with increasing frequency - as the frequency gets higher, the antenna reactance decreases, therefore the antenna voltage for a given current decreases, and so the electric field and the dielectric losses. This would also explain why increasing the amount of wire in the air reduces the loss - also increasing the height has a similar effect. The weather conditions have a substantial effect on loss resistance - a period of rain gives about 25% increase in loss resistance, icy weather about 15% reduction. From a practical point of view, beyond some minimum amount of ground system, there is little to be gained by extending the ground system further - the best I could get was about 0.5dB increase in radiated power. In my circumstances, there is little to be gained by having more than the original 6 rods - allthough I suspect this would be different in areas of low ground conductivity. Any benefits are swamped by day-to-day weather changes. On the other hand, the height of the antenna has much more impact. putting a 13m high pole under the middle of the span of wire, making it into an inverted V shape gives an immediate 3-4dB improvement in ERP. I reckon the best improvement to be had from all the ground system mods is worth about the same as a 0.5m height increase of the antenna wire. So the first priority must be to get the antenna as high as possible, even if this means less wire in the air. The trouble is the neighbors don't like it... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU