Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9777 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 07:52:18 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 07:52:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 19898 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 07:52:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 07:52:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19a9jd-0005wg-0n for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 08:51:29 +0100 Received: from [130.244.199.131] (helo=fep03-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19a9jY-0005wX-PF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 08:51:24 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.36.12]) by fep03-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20030709075123.DEKI27514.fep03-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:51:23 +0200 Message-ID: <004101c345ef$52d38500$0c2465d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001b01c345d6$cf184ce0$e3c428c3@captbrian> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:53:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: earth losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Bryan, > Of the earth return loss resistance, how much of the resistance is the > actual earth rod(s)-to-soil contact and how much is the earth path ? that is a very interesting question but it is difficult, if not impossible, to give an exact answer. However, in a typical amateur antenna, the earth path is responsible for a considerable part of the total resistance. I believe in G3AQC's "footprint theory" - the more ground area covered by the top loading wire(s), the better. More lawn in parallel, so to speak :-) > With an inverted L antenna , is not a counterpoise of the same length as > the horizontal section and directly underneath but a few feet off the ground > a good way of avoiding the earth rod to soil contact losses ?? I have tried such a ground wire with an 15m up / 85m out inverted L but there was no detectable difference. Feedpoint resistance was around 35 ohms in both cases (including coil loss etc). Probably because the wire "catched" only a fraction of the total E field. I did not try using the (slightly) elevated ground wire as the only ground ("floating antenna") because I ran out of loading inductance... 73 Johan SM6LKM