Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21127 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 14:26:29 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 14:26:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 28550 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 14:26:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 14:26:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19NCjC-00035D-3v for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 15:25:30 +0100 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19NCj7-00034v-SK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 15:25:25 +0100 Received: from [134.47.162.90] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:24:54 +0200 Received: from tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.91]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:22:43 +0200 Received: from tns-fbu-2e-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:22:43 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:22:43 +0200 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF1BF5E6@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: LF: 4060 Divider Thread-Index: AcMp1lF2Rh9R7Qx4SIOozSAic/BvGwABFi3w From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2003 14:22:43.0213 (UTC) FILETIME=[98A67BD0:01C329DB] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: LF: 4060 Divider Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false It is interesting to note that addition of a cooling fin could extend the operational voltage, suggest you check some different manufacturers, like Texas and Motorola, since they often specify CMOS devices for higher voltages than usual. Checked the 74HC4066 which one manufacturer spec'd up to above 12V One problem with the 4020, 4024, 4040 and 4060-type dividers may be that they sometimes don't count properly on the higher frequency side, so you must adjust the input or use another xtal for the desired o/p, this is particularly true if you try to modify the division factor 73 Jan-Martin LA8AK http://home.online.no/~la8ak -----Original Message----- From: James Moritz [mailto:j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk] Sent: 3. juni 2003 14:34 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 4060 Divider At 11:17 02/06/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I would like to use the M74HC4060 as a 'divide-by-64' signal source. Can >anyone tell me the upper limit for xtals that this chip can handle? My xtal >will be on 8.750000; I fear that the upper limit may be around 4-6 MHz? > >Steve Dear Steve, LF Group According to the National Semiconductor data book, the 74HC4060 has a guaranteed minimum operating frequency of 30MHz at 5V supply. Over the 2 - 6V supply range, typical values are 6MHz and 35MHz respectively. The slower 4000 series CD4060 device operates over a wider voltage range - at 5V supply, guaranteed minumum frequency is 1.5MHz (4MHz typ); 10V, 4MHz (10MHz typ), 15V - 5MHz (12MHz typ). So it is a bit "iffy" for 8.75MHz, but it might be worth selecting a good one if, for example, you wanted everything to work from a 12V rail. These figures really relate to the divider part of the chip. As far as the crystal oscillator part goes, this depends a lot on the crystal and the external components, since the "oscillator" is just a CMOS inverter which provides gain (although the 74HC4060 inverter has been optimised for xtal osc use by increasing the output impedance). But experience shows that an xtal around 9MHz will be no problem for the 74HC device, and will almost certainly work with the 4000 series device too. For details of the oscillator section design, have a look at www.fairchildsemi.com/an/AN/AN-340.pdf Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU