Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12282 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 13:40:25 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 May 2003 13:40:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 1350 invoked by uid 10001); 15 May 2003 13:33:45 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 May 2003 13:33:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19GIqf-0003wZ-S0 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:32:41 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19GIqb-0003wO-02 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:32:37 +0100 Received: from host213-122-158-181.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.158.181] helo=dave) by rhenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19GIqZ-000084-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:32:36 +0100 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:34:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3EC3A572.25292.1B9F025@localhost> In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20030515120743.00aeeca8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> References: <1e7.8ec8510.2bf436e5@aol.com> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.11) Content-Description: Mail message body Subject: Re: LF: No US Ham Band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-26.1 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false On 15 May 2003 at 12:27, James Moritz wrote: > >The FCC said a new amateur LF allocation is not justified "when > >balanced > against the greater public interest of an interference-free power > grid." > > Have they got this the right way round? Virtually all radio services > on LF suffer a continual and steadily increasing amount of > interference from the power grid, but I have yet to hear of an > instance where radio signals cause interference problems to the power > grid. All seems a bit "Alice in Wonderland"...as if a secretary > somewhere had made a typo, and no-one who knew anything about the > subject had ever checked it. I downloaded and read the full FCC report (linked from the ARRL site) which explains their decisions in more detail. The problem is possible interference by amateur signals to the PLC system used by the power line companies to control power line switching - note that this is nothing to do with PLT, or broadband, but a FSK system they use. Despite assurance from ARRL that an amateur would have to be within a few 100 yards of the line for there to be any problem, at which distance the power line QRM would be horrendous, FCC have gone along with the power companies in rejecting the proposals. The fear is of switching relays being incorrectly turned off by amateur interference and causing power blackouts. Of course a system (in itself an unlicenced user of the band) which does not fail safe in these situations is badly designed anyway. The document is worth reading, but somewhat depressing. Both in the 136 case and in the 5MHz one they have gone 100% with the objectors and the amateur case has been totally ignored. If you download it note that it is a very bloated Word document at 1.3Mb. In pdf it comes down to 275k, and saved in Open Office format (zipped XML) it is a mere 49k!! 73 Dave G3YMC dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk