Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9965 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 17:39:33 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 May 2003 17:39:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 11525 invoked by uid 10001); 8 May 2003 17:39:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 May 2003 17:39:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19DpLE-0002oN-Lu for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 May 2003 18:38:00 +0100 Received: from [130.244.199.132] (helo=fep04-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19DpL9-0002oE-9Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 May 2003 18:37:55 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.41.22]) by fep04-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20030508173753.YLX22132.fep04-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 19:37:53 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c31588$e7869bc0$162965d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030430120518.00ade070@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <001501c31001$6a079780$bee5fc3e@l8p8y6> <5.1.0.14.0.20030502115241.025564e8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20030508141801.00b0dfb8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:39:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Mains Cable and other transmission lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-22.8 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Jim, LFers Jim Moritz M0BMU wrote: > I have some samples of old trans-atlantic telephone coax cable - according to > the labels, they are from the TAT-1, TAT-II and CANTAT-2 cables. Measuring > the dimensions of these, they work out to Zo of 57, 45, and 55 ohms > respectively. I have an ITT technical journal, "Electrical Communication" from 1974 that contains some detailed articles about the Cantat-2 cable, 36 pages in all. Very interesting reading. One of the articles says that the cable Z was 54 ohms, so you were close. The cable had 473 repeaters and it was fed with +7kV at one end and -5.4 kV (adjustable -3.8..-7kV for compensation during magnetic storms) at the other end. The current was 490 mA. > I imagine they must have been designed with low loss in mind; Probably :-) According to the ITT publication, the total loss at the highest frequency (14MHz) was over 18360 dB (yes, read it again!). In comparison, an EME path will look like a short piece of copper wire... 73 Johan Bodin SM6LKM