Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24127 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 20:33:59 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 20:33:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 22938 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2003 20:34:02 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Apr 2003 20:34:02 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 199spe-0002C7-53 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:33:06 +0100 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 199spZ-0002By-Cm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:33:01 +0100 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.192]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h3RKWu619801 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:32:56 -0500 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:33:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <006b01c30cef$f8846890$ee9bfea9@oben> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ns2.genesis-technology.com id h3RKWu619801 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: RX-LOOP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-12.1 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE,ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Peter, It is 4.5 meters to our house and 4.5 meters to the neighbors house. The neighbor has lots of medical equipment running for a disabled girl. It is very surprisingly quiet for being so close to all the houses. We have those gas discharge street lights in our neighborhood also. Yes light dimmers can be a problem but those affect every kind of antenna I have tried here so I wait for them to go to sleep. Hi Hi... Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of dj9dw Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 2:05 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: RX-LOOP fb, Mike, what about the distance to the next neighbour = noisesource? "Neonlamps" on the street? Here in Germany, we are sitting on each other, that might be the problem. I´m thinking of a noisecanceller and dreaming of a qitting DCF. So vy 73 de Peter, dj9dw. ----- Original Message ----- From: "WE0H" To: Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: LF: RE: RX-LOOP I use a 15-meter square loop for receive and it is very quiet on the noise verses the 15-meter flattop vertical. Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of dj9dw Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 3:07 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RX-LOOP Hello LF-Group, as a beginner, I built the loop that I found in df8zr´s homepage. 2m dia, Q=200 seperate grounding 10m off the shack. I did not receive any statione outside Germany. Too much noise by mains, TV etc. A small marconi, 10m vertical and 2x10m on top, although fenced in by surroundings, works satisfactory. I rx G3LDO barely aural to give one example. Facit: there are locations where a loop is pretty qualified to detect noisesources - and nothing else. vy 73 dj9dw, jo40le, nr Frankfurt, Peter.