Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4311 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2003 11:19:30 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Apr 2003 11:19:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 27184 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2003 11:19:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Apr 2003 11:19:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19AT7h-0004mi-Ag for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:18:09 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19AT7c-0004mZ-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:18:04 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19AT6o-0000Ub-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:17:14 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19AT6h-0001dx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:17:08 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030429113850.00b0b6d0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:17:01 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <000d01c30dc2$7c758940$cecdfc3e@ian> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030416120614.024e6ea0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: BK amps. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-22.9 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Ian, LF Group, At 21:11 28/04/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Jim, > >in your posting of 16 April on 'The Mystery....' you mentioned that the BK >input circuitry could be modified to provide a bit more gain at 136. > >What needs changed to do this? > >73, > >Ian In the Maplin audio amp, (and judging from the circuit diagram in the old LF handbook the BK amps have an almost identical circuit), the gain is actually adequate, but the slew rate limits the output at high frequencies. This means that the output voltage cannot change fast enough (which is what slew rate is, in V/us) to produce a sine wave at the full output amplitude, so what you get instead is a more or less triangular waveform with a somewhat smaller amplitude. The slew rate is limited by the current available from the input stage to charge and discharge the frequency compensation capacitors in the second stage, which are required for stability. The solution is to increase the bias current in the input transistors - however this in itself will make the amp unstable because of the increased loop gain it produces. Fortunately, the status quo is easily restored by adding emitter degeneration resistors to the input transistors to bring their gain back down to the original value. The end result is an amplifier with the same gain and small-signal bandwidth, but able to produce full power at higher frequencies. I can't remember the exact details of the circuit and the changes I made - I will check at home later. I think the input stage was originally biased to 500uA and I increased this to 5mA in each transistor - the emitter resistors required would be about 45ohms in this case, but I'm not sure if this is correct at the moment. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU