Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13022 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 12:31:27 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 12:31:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 2954 invoked by uid 10001); 24 Apr 2003 12:31:27 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 12:31:27 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 198fsK-0004It-FF for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:30:52 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 198fsF-0004Ii-Pr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:30:47 +0100 Received: from host213-122-189-64.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.189.64] helo=Main) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 198fsE-0007QT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:30:46 +0100 Message-ID: <001601c30a5d$414ff020$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:19:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Propagation 3000kms and 5000kms Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Jim Congratulations on the new Russian station. This is a virtually "all-land" path so is slightly more difficult. On the propagation front yes you are right there is a considerable difference between paths of 2000-3000 kms and paths of over 4000kms at night after geomagnetic activity. The effect can be seen by noting the difference between Brains night-time received strength for DCF39 ( at 1950 kms) and Steve's W3EEE at over 5000kms. On the 23rd Brians plot's show night-time levels also at my "benchmark" average, which is surprisingly good considering the geomagnetic conditions we have had recently. If you look at the real-time plots on Steve's site the levels are very poor and 20dB or more below the best seen in January. I beleive the the difference is accounted for by the path geometry. It is possible that the major signal path up to 3000kms on current nights is a one hop path. Even there 3000kms is stretching it a bit. The difference is that the two hop path must ,of course, make two journeys through the absorbing D-layer (the result of precipitated 'hot' electrons associated with the geomagnetic events) and as a result be significantly attenuated. When these hot eletrons decay away, you will find that the trans-Atlantic path improves but there could be a deterioration in the 3000kms paths !! I believe this could be due to destructive interference between the two hop and one hop paths over that distance. I saw this quite a lot on plots of SXV and for a long time did not understand why the path was not better ( it was cut up with deep frequenct fading ) when the path to CFH was good. I believe Brian's T/A success is due to the slightly more southerly path which is nearly all over water, and the use of 60sec mode which seems to get over even under poor conditions at the 1W ERP power level. His routes in other directions are by no means as good. Jose-Manuel EA1PX gets much better signals from and into Europe firing across Biscay, that Brian whose paths cross Northern Spain and the Pyrenees (on some paths possibly also the Alps as well !) Fascinating stuff this LF.....now where are all the South American and Cuban stations ?? Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/index.htm#propagation