Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30182 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2003 22:42:51 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Apr 2003 22:42:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 6628 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2003 22:42:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Apr 2003 22:42:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 195Cdb-0002qV-Hh for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:41:19 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 195CdW-0002qJ-NV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:41:14 +0100 Received: from ian ([62.252.209.117]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030414224113.UKLW22800.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:41:13 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c302ce$ba7a4680$75d1fc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:35:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: The Mystery of the Missing Amps.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.51 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.51 (1.174.2.5-2003-03-20-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Some of you will have noticed that I have been venting my frustrations about the title subject on the reflector recently and that I mentioned an interesting anomaly in the earthing arrangement, so over the weekend out came the deerstalker, cape and meerschaum and the investigation commenced. The anomaly is this; after finishing reworking a number of things as detailed in an earlier posting, the there was a sensible increase in antenna current of about 30 - 40%, so I set about tidying things up round the 'dogbox'. Then to my astonishment the next test produced a further increase, the resultant increase totalling about 75% and the BK could be driven right into saturation. Obviously something had changed, but I had not consciously altered any of the settings. ("Curiouser and curiouser!" said Alice.) A visual inspection of the dogbox in the bosky twilight turned up nothing obvious until I caught a foot in the earthing cable from the point where the co-ax was terminated at the coil, and after the usual 'oh bother!' (or words to that effect) I noticed that the cable did not appear to be attached to the earth point sticking out of the ground. Attached it and returned to shack. Current down again! Huh????? (Followed by lots of very rude words indeed) Just for the hell of it went out into the gathering dark and broke the connection. Current increase back again! Eureka! (Greek for "somebody get me a towel") The first part of the puzzle was, where was the TX finding its earth from? The TX system is complete in itself, mounted on a bit of Conti-board with no mains earth as such (or so I thought) and was not connected to the station earth point (which comes off the same system as the external point, at the apex of a fan of 25sq. mm.earth wires and bonded two ways with 10sq.mm cable to all the plumbing in the house, four 4ft earth rods and a couple of disused electrical earths.) Eventually discovered that the TX and coil were being earthed to the mains (a) through the switched mode PSU suppling the IC706, divider/exciter and the relays, (b) via the earth on the computer COM port, and (c) via the co-ax to the receiver - which is connected to the station earth. The resistance measured between the station and external earth points was measured today as 0.011 Ohms by passing 15A at 12v between them and a known low resistance of 0.1 and measuring the voltage drops. Earthing the TX to the station earth point as well got another few percent of antenna current, but earthing the coil directly to the external point drops the current back to where I started and the BK goes unstable as it approaches maximum output. Could this be a variation of the old audio amp problem cured by using one common earth point? Or - which is much more likely - is there something obvious which is staring me in the face yet still unseen? This is definitely a three pint problem, and in the absence of a brother called Mycroft I am appealing to all you helpful people out there to guide me towards an explanation. Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ P.S. Remarks along the lines of "Leave it alone while it's working" will be treated with a certain amount of disdain, since I have already come up with that particular way out!