Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4209 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 19:03:57 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 19:03:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 13096 invoked by uid 10001); 26 Mar 2003 19:03:57 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 19:03:57 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 18yGBH-0000L6-2n for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:03:23 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.145] (helo=mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 18yGBB-0000Kf-Cj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:03:17 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20030326190244.RHIK15385.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:02:44 +1200 Received: from xtr743187 ([210.54.225.184]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20030326190243.DOKB29186.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:02:43 +1200 Message-ID: <002b01c2f3cb$020221c0$b8e136d2@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030320183946.0260e158@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20030324122153.00abb360@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3E7F197A.4060502@usa.net> <003201c2f247$ee408200$0100007f@xtr743187> <5.1.0.14.0.20030326110918.00abac60@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:06:55 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Selection of spot frequencies for DX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.8 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.51 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.51 (1.174.2.5-2003-03-20-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Jim and others, Thanks for getting the numbers straightened out. I've been hasty with email recently due to "not enough minutes in the day". The mains harmonic situation is that "very high" frequency stability would be needed to not have harmonics sweeping over LF DX working frequencies that were selected for being "interleaved" with N times 50 Hz. Also N times 60 Hz for consideration of North America, etc. However, I believe these interleaved spots are still the best from a statistical point of view, as mains harmonics would be expected to spend most time around the N times 50 and 60 Hz regions. > >I made a numerical mistake in my last posting. 25 Hz shift at 136 kHz is > >a ratio of about 0.009, or 0.9%. Of course, we would like the "QRM > >deviation" of 50 Hz lines to be much less than plus or minus 25 Hz. > > > >73, Bob ZL2CA > > > Dear Bob, LF Group, > > 25/136000 = 0.00018, or 0.018% for 25Hz shift - a 0.9% shift in the 50Hz > mains frequency would lead to the 2720th harmonic shifting by 1224Hz... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU 73, Bob ZL2CA