Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1767 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2003 16:38:09 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Feb 2003 16:38:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 468 invoked by uid 10001); 1 Feb 2003 16:38:09 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2003 16:38:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18f0eJ-000331-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 16:37:47 +0000 Received: from [131.227.76.5] (helo=prue.eim.surrey.ac.uk ident=exim) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18f0eI-00032s-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 16:37:46 +0000 Received: from ntlras2-200.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.137.200] helo=eemsrg88) by prue.eim.surrey.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #4) id 18f0e8-0002aP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 16:37:37 +0000 From: "Michael J Underhill" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 16:33:13 -0000 Message-ID: <002501c2ca0f$9e5620c0$ee8ae383@ee.surrey.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20030131161755.00aef0b8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-DCC-WEiAPG-Metrics: prue.eim.surrey.ac.uk 1072; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Scanner: exiscan *18f0e8-0002aP-00*WUI1jmyJeD2* (SECM, UniS) Subject: LF: RE: RX loop designs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Yes please, Jim. By the way, in experiments with my version of the CFL, I have made double tuned HF transmitting loops with similar bandwidth improvements to yours but having at least four times the Q values that I guess you have. I have not yet achieved the claimed CFL bandwidths with the same efficiencies and sensitivities that I get from my other loops. Ganged tuning is necessary and it is difficult to keep this accurately enough in step to cover even a single HF band. At the moment considered 'not worth the hassle' for the HF bands. 73 de Mike G3LHZ m.underhill@surrey.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: 01 February 2003 11:33 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RX loop designs Dear LF Group, With the recent chatter about LF loops, I finally got round to writing up 3 of my receiving loop designs, which I have been using for the last year or so. They seem to be significantly different to the designs other people have come up with, and work well, so could be of interest. The usual problem with a tuned loop is that the bandwidth is very narrow, so remote tuning is needed. Resistively loading the loop increases BW, but reduces the loop output and SNR, so a bigger loop is needed, and also out-of-band selectivity is reduced. My idea was to add an additional tuned circuit coupled to the loop to produce a bandpass response, which can be designed to give a flat-topped or slightly double-peaked response covering the whole 136kHz band without re-tuning. This has turned out to work well, and the article describes one 1m^2 loop with a bandwidth of about 4kHz, and a 2m x 2m loop using a single turn of tubing with a bandwidth of about 18kHz. With the simple pre-amp also described, the noise floor of both these antennas is well below the band noise even on a quiet day. The article also includes a wideband loop based on a low-pass rather than bandpass design, which covers 10kHz -200kHz, also a single turn 2m x 2m loop. This is slightly less sensitive than the bandpass designs, but more than adequate for general use over the LF/VLF range. The relationship between field strength and loop output for this antenna is predictable, so it can also be used for field strength measurement. The article I have written is 5 pages, with several diagrams, and is a .pdf file of about 340kB. It is too big for the reflector, but if you are interested, let me know, and I will e-mail it to you as an attachment. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU