Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11897 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 15:47:35 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 15:47:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 11400 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Jan 2003 15:47:28 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 15:47:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ae8K-0007yt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:46:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.10] (helo=public.thorcom.com ident=[y5qZ6DDMOo1EcTRRMHw/lxVE68ML0PyJ]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ae8K-0007yk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:46:44 +0000 Received: from [200.230.104.195] (helo=magicsite.magichosting.com.br) by public.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ae8I-0007zJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:46:43 +0000 Received: from Marcus (unverified [200.192.7.22]) by magicsite.magichosting.com.br (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:40:11 -0800 Message-ID: <004401c2c0a2$25622860$9801a8c0@gigacom.com.br> From: "PY2PLL" To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <23.2aadfb3f.2b5c5522@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:35:59 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Loops x Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=6.0tests=MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi ... After read an article last year (Wireless World) about loop antennas X DCF39 calibration, I constructed a octogonal RX loop, #16 awg wire, to cover from 400KHz to 1.6MHz. ThereŽs 9 turns, 5mm spacing, 1.9 meter diameter. About 55 meter of wire. This is the first version. Later IŽll build another one to 136KHz. Acording with this article, I should expect a Q=200 ... 220 from such loop. I considered the NTE618 to tune it and a push-pull pre-amp (J310) with gates conected to the loop ends. No resistors there. The article consider that for such loop at this frequency will have something like .20uV of thermal noise. The resistors will add some extra noise there so I removed them. But the Q=210 ... and the NTE618 Q is 200. Is there any gain If I use a dual-gang air variable driven by a step motor + reduction in place of the NTE618? P.S.: I put two tables, considering standard loop areas, both for 136 and BC band at: http://py.qsl.br/loop136e.gif and http://py.qsl.br/loop-om-e.gif 73 Marcus PY3CRX/PY2PLL http://py.qsl.br Active from "DC" to Laser ...