Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1490 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2003 00:15:20 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 00:15:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 2114 invoked by uid 10001); 26 Jan 2003 00:15:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 00:15:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18caQo-0004HI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:13:50 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18caQo-0004H9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:13:50 +0000 Received: from host213-122-14-59.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.14.59] helo=Main) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18caQn-0007DW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:13:49 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c2c4cf$96331640$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:51:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re Tx with loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, I have already replied direct to Werner. I heard his transmissions today and as he is a regular and almost a "local" to me was able to give at least an "audible" report. My estimation is that he was about 2 S points down on the strength I normally hear him. Thus 559 against his usual 579 on the vertical. This report seems to be confirmed by Dave G3YXMs comments. To Peter A take off at 45 degrees is not actually too clever, as it then puts the signal back down again just 100kms further on !! (Check the geometry with a 50km reflecting D-Layer.) In fact it is likely to give fading in the 300 to 400kms region. The fact that there was no sign (as far as I could tell) of fading on Werner suggests that the high angle radiation was just totally lost in absorption in the D-layer. To use "skywave" effectively one has to "aim" at the horizon. (see the Simple Geometry page on my web site) as only grazing incidence waves are returned in daytime. Still it nice to see someone has had the energy and bottle to try it!! Well done Werner. How about rotating it vertical next....and give us a warning so we can be sure to be listening. It seemed very quiet today only 6 callsigns on my pad. I think it is possible that LA1TN is listening this weekend so the is every possibility of a report from Norway (Trondheim I think).....but not if you dont transmit !! Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com