Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3591 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 10:04:26 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 10:04:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 1199 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 10:04:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 10:04:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PJzi-0002sh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:03:02 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PJzd-0002sQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:03:01 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:02:14 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.192]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:02:11 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:02:12 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:02:11 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:02:11 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF1BF5A5@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: LF: Big vs small RX antennas Thread-Index: AcKnidoTkGYJBU+oRIWJ9iV0rQFCAgAgzncg From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2002 10:02:11.0402 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD34AAA0:01C2A80E] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Big vs small RX antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Can't see any arguments against my version. But apart from telling that you disagree, you don't give any related reasons. I already agree to the balance, but using a balanced amplifier for a balanced antenna is only amateur nonsense. And using the amplifier is nonsense when it doesn't improve for anything - only increase an already strong enough signal. The only argument is that it is more complex, and it is worth some money if you sell it. My loop has center grounded, it is at least necessary for the varicap tuning, and I use a coupling loop of 1/100 of the totalt antenna area 73 es merry xmas, Jan-Martin LA8AK -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Ashlock,William [mailto:William.Ashlock@edwards.boc.com] Sendt: 19. desember 2002 19:02 Til: 'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org' Emne: RE: LF: Big vs small RX antennas I don't buy this. The reason for the balanced connection (or center tap) to the loop is to reduce the so called 'antenna effect'. Without the balance the antenna will be sensitive to the E-field of the intended signal as well as all the other unwanted signals and noise in the area, coming from all directions. Also, the desired null off the side, typically 40db for a well balanced loop, will be greatly reduced if the loop is connected simply to one side. One common way to achieve a 'balance' is to isolate the tuned winding from the input to the amplifier with a one or two turn isolated pickup winding. A ferrite core can also be used that couples one turn from the main winding to the amplifier or receiver. John Andrews uses this approach. I call both of these a 'floating connection' rather than a balanced connection', but they achieve the same thing because neither is effected by E-field signals. Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com