Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10526 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 15:09:48 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 15:09:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 17931 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 15:09:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 15:09:35 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Qqfx-0006t3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:08:57 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Qqfw-0006su-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:08:57 +0000 Received: from there ([217.137.94.49]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021224150855.WFSF19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@there> for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:08:55 +0000 From: "Steve Thompson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:13:47 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <000c01c2aaa4$3a7e2820$9ce8fc3e@l8p8y6> <005401c2ab1e$499d2840$035e89d9@jackie> <003601c2ab4a$46750940$89ccfc3e@l8p8y6> In-reply-to: <003601c2ab4a$46750940$89ccfc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <20021224150855.WFSF19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@there> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Loops again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false On Tuesday 24 December 2002 12:44, hamilton mal wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Thompson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 7:30 AM > Subject: LF: Re: Loops again > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: hamilton mal > > To: > > Sent: 23 December 2002 16:55 > > Subject: LF: Loops again > > > > > > With all the loop talk that has been going on since before time began has > > anyone found a design for a near perfect small loop, suppose its like how > > long is a piece of string, obviously the bigger the better but then there > > is > > > the diminishing returns senario, it there much noticeable difference > > between > > > a 2 meter side square loop and a 4meter. > > Which is better a single turn loop, several turns in series, several > > turns in parallel and the best method of feed and matching at the loop. > > ------------------ > > This site gives a good treatise on loop antennas from first principles, > > and > > > provides the maths to let you consider what to expect with changes in > > size and numbers of turns. > > > > http://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/faculty/georgieva/temp/Antennas_L11.pdf > > > > Steve > > Thanks Steve. > Its a wonderful article and has certainly refreshed my mathematical skills. > It starts off by saying that small loops are very INEFFICIENT and because > of the high losses really only suitable for Receiving purposes. Not very > promising. I'm glad you found it useful - I found the maths just about manageable, and the final equations very useable. If you go up a layer to .........../temp/ you will find a series of a dozen or more such 'lectures' which deal with most antenna topics in the same way. >From what I remember, I reckoned that, for transmitting, you are better off making a larger loop than going for more turns, for any given amount of wire. Steve