Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20111 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 22:04:52 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 22:04:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 17037 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 22:04:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 22:04:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O3LS-00084Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:04:14 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O3LS-00084Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:04:14 +0000 Received: from host213-122-124-215.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.124.215] helo=main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18O3LQ-0006Af-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:04:13 +0000 Message-ID: <003501c2a54e$f83bdca0$d77c7ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:55:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Earth resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Gary and all, no cans of worms....we are all just trying to understand what is happening with our non-commercial sized aerials .....and trying to avoid any of the old wives tales. It is interesting that Laurie lives in Bosham. Look at his QTH on the map and you would not believe he has trouble with ground resistance. However Laurie has fought hard and long to get the loss resistance down. Finbar lives alongside a sea-water bay, and he has to do considerably more than just shoving a spike in the ground. Most perople assume that seawater is a good conductor, it is better than land, but it is not that good otherwise LF radio waves would not penetrate it to be used by subs. It is a very complex problem and I would be glad for anyone to explain the test results we have measured. I have yet to do the experiment of playing the hosepipe on the ground under the aerial on an otherwise dry day to see what difference it makes. The other problem is that my tap-water is almost saturated with calcium carbonate so not as low a resistivity as rain-water. ( I am also metered and mean....but we wont talk about that ) There is an interesting reprint in the back of the newer LF Experimenter' Handbook written by a German engineer about experiments at Nauen in 1922. I think a lot of his results are pertinent to this question but he does not hazard an explanation beyong the equivalent circuit with a lossy capacitor.!! I said he was an engineer !! I am about to return to Watt's VLF Engineering to see what can be gleaned from the extensive chapter on earthing there. Also there is a book by Sunde which is devoted to earthing, but more from the point of line transmission. Most Garden Centres will sell you a soil moisture meter where the resistance drops with increasing "wetness" ....these dont operate at 136kHz , unfortunately. Great fun, and highly important as ground loss is the biggest of our problems, half the ground loss, and you double the aerial current and quadruple the ERP......and the worms dont get quite so much "central heating". Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com