Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5022 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 16:48:00 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 16:48:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 23585 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 16:47:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 16:47:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18REdQ-0002rY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 16:43:56 +0000 Received: from [24.153.64.2] (helo=smtp.comcast.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18REdQ-0002rP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 16:43:56 +0000 Received: from yourw92p4bhlzg (pcp02064100pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.83.215.165]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with SMTP id <0H7O00B7BP4CZE@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:43:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:43:24 -0500 From: "Ralph Lane" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <000501c2ac34$be28d8a0$0000a398@yourw92p4bhlzg> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal References: Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=8.0tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Mike, I must have missed something, who is Bill and where do I find info about Ashlock loops? Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "WE0H" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again > What is special about an Ashlock loop you ask; the tuning components. > Nothing new and exotic just explained real well by Bill and tested over and > over to refine the procedure and construction and installation of a > super-performing loop. Everyone that has followed his advise to the exact > letter has gotten a good signal on the band in the US. I am waiting for the > license to be mailed back so I can cram 400w into my loop. If I can make 1w > go easily past 160 miles with a totally audible CW signal day and night, > imagine what 400w or even less would do as I don't think it will take the > full legal limit to make solid CW contacts with this antenna and decent > conditions. > > I understand that most amateur LF antennas are inefficient, but these loops > have been bad mouthed for a long time and we have an Engineer here that has > taken on the task of designing and testing the heck out of a 50' by 50' loop > on 185kc and come up with a few variations that tested in the real world on > the air and continue to prove their awesome design and engineering to > perform excellent. > > Yes, verticals do work well with the proper installation. Or you can make a > lousy installed vertical work with a bunch of power. But take a lousy > installed loop or lousy matched loop and it wont work worth a darn. Follow > Bill's advise and it will work. > > Mike>WE0H > http://www.we0h.us/lf > WE 185.3026kc > QRSS & -.-. .-- > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Steve Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 2:16 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: WE0H > To: > Sent: 25 December 2002 02:40 > Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: Loops again > > > > Then why did my 1-watt signal go 1302 miles the other week? I was sending > > QRSS-30 and the receive station was southwest from here. My loop points > > north and south. It usually goes out past 500 miles in QRSS and over 160 > > miles in CW with the receiving station listening to it with his ears. It > is > > an Ashlock loop maybe that is the difference??? > What's special about an Ashlock loop? > > The article I mentioned does say that electrically tiny loops are > inefficient - but aren't electrically tiny verticals inefficient too? > > Steve > > > > >