Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10099 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2002 06:22:58 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Nov 2002 06:22:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11031 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2002 06:25:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 2002 06:25:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18CwJz-0008UN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 06:20:47 +0000 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18CwJy-0008UD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 06:20:47 +0000 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu06.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.118]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA3dd5e36e50f8 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:19:26 +0600 (OS) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:19:16 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <000c01c28cd7$d8dcc700$69e8fc3e@l8p8y6> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: vertical/loop Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Mal and Group. On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, hamilton mal wrote: > and have found the vertical a lot better and easier to tame, easy to match > using a series inductor and tuned against an insulated ground radial > system to match 50 ohms, and manageable RF current to get up to 1W erp > radiated power. To try doing the same with a vertical loop at the same > height would require 50 + amps RF and I would not even consider this > approach at this power level. I do not see any unsolvable problem with 50 or 100 amps in a loop. It is usial RF curent in transistor TX of power of few kW. But surely one should put some attention to conections and use large diameter wires at this curent level. Besides one can use ferrite transformer to convert large curent input to less curent input and THEN compensate iductance. It will requre not so large C of variabale capacitor to tune. My recieving small loop is done in such a way :-) Certanly in transmiting loop one should use large ferrite core to build such a transformer. If Rac of a transmiting loop is about 0.5 Ohm (Bill's example) then one should use 1:10 transformer to get 50 Ohm. Curent will change from 50 A to 5 A only. Or use 10 turns loop - it give the same. Sure in free field vertical is better and more easy to build. But it may be some special case when loop is better. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb