Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30478 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2002 19:29:00 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Nov 2002 19:29:00 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 9281 invoked by uid 10001); 25 Nov 2002 19:28:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Nov 2002 19:28:57 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18GOso-0004E8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:27:02 +0000 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18GOsn-0004Dz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:27:01 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: William.Ashlock@edwards.boc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-18.tower-4.messagelabs.com!1038252416!3716 Received: (qmail 28853 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2002 19:26:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ukfw1.ge.boc.com) (193.131.2.157) by server-18.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2002 19:26:56 -0000 Received: from z-160-100-160-136.est.ibm.com ([160.100.160.136]) by ukfw1.ge.boc.com; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:26:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id TP3FR8LR; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:30:28 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:26:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:26:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: loop antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0tests=EXCHANGE_SERVER,INVALID_MSGID,NO_EXPERIENCE, SPAM_PHRASE_02_03version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Rik, >I am about to put up a transmitting loop antenna. Dimensions will be 23m >long and 15m high. Thanks to Dick (PA0SE) I could achieve a wheel of 7mm >litz wire, so wire losses should be minimized (about 0.04 Ohm). Delighted to read about what you are up to! First. Is 7mm the actual wire diam or the wire plus insulation? >What distance should I keep to the ground ? I like 6 feet as the best compromise. The ground loss will amount to about 1/2 of your total loss loss with a loop this size and conductor Rac this low. I'll give you a number later, based on my data. >What distance should I keep to the greenery (birch trees) The trees will have almost no effect. I run my conductor (now a 1/2" Cu pipe, in full contact with the trees (see my loop website at http://www.ThePittsfieldInn.com/Bill/ for a picture of this), but it's a good idea to have some spacing at the lower portions of the loop where the voltage to ground is the highest. Also, you will have to protect the Litz wire from abrasion from the trees. That's a valuable piece of cable! >How to match the antenna ? As it is an experimental setup I would tend to >keep the resonance tuning (= series capacitor) and impedance matching (= >transformer) separated. DO NOT separate these components! This a very common mistake. The transformer and capacitor bank must be next to the loop feed point or the losses will kill you. >Any experience with a 100/1 .. 400/1 transformer >(matching 50 Ohm of the TX to 0.1 .. 0.4 Ohm of the loop - at least I hope >to get losses that low). I have no experience with high power cores but the ratios look correct. Suggest a focussing some attention to core losses. >if Rloss = 0.2 Ohm and 450W RF power -> antenna current = 47A -> EIRP = 675mW A loop this large will perform well, Rik, if you pay close attention to the transformer, and capacitor bank. The effectiveness once the area is fixed is all in the loop current. Good luck! Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com