Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9685 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 00:07:06 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 00:07:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18588 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Nov 2002 00:09:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 00:09:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18C7Yl-0007JH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:08:39 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.162] (helo=imo-m07.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18C7Yk-0007J8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:08:38 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.6a.2915814e (4418) for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:08:30 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <6a.2915814e.2b04437d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:08:29 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: LF: Re: Transistor riddle, VLF Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear group,

thanks to Alan for pointing out Bob Pease as the original source of the experiment. I think DL2NDO mentioned it when he told us about it a few years ago, I just didn't remember.

Yes, that's the clue to the voltage inverter: photocurrent in the c-b-junction. You really don't need a microscope to see its origin, though a small magnifier helps. Just look at the chip in the dark and turn on reverse-bias, and you will see a faint glow of orange-coloured light. It is quite pretty on a larger transistor like a 2N3055, the structured rim of the emitter zone is seamed by luminescence. - But the voltage conversion is not very efficient: 0.3V x 0.4uA output from a 2N5322 fed with -9V x -4mA (yes, PNPs can do it just as well).

For a moment I had also considered rectified zener noise, but I think polarity would be the other way round: RF rectification in a diode generates reverse, light "rectification" forward voltage. - Today I connected a scope parallel to the 2N2222 e-b-junction in pursuit of Rik's observation, and yes, there it was: Slightly above the threshold of avalanching, there were three discrete bands of instability, up to 50 mV pp. I couldn't trigger the timebase properly so it was not periodic; the display looked a bit like a train of pulses clipped between two levels, as if someone turned the avalanching on and off at random. A pair of 300 ohm headphones in place of the biasing resistor revealed it as wideband (and apparently very non-gaussian) noise.

Boys, lets get back to business ;-) ... Apropos headphones: they remind me of an experiment Geri and I did some time in 2001: We connected them to my LF antenna through an old TV line-transformer acting as a resonating inductance, tunable by the width of its airgap. Then we listened to the high-pitched beeps of the russian Alpha beacons, without any amplification or frequency conversion. Had I tried this 40 years earlier, perhaps I could have _heard_ SAQ on baseband...

73 es best wishes
de Markus, DF6NM