Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12070 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2002 20:12:56 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Nov 2002 20:12:56 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 3993 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2002 19:12:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2002 19:12:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18996m-0001Z6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:11:28 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18996l-0001Yx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:11:27 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18994m-0006qw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:09:24 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18994j-0006J4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:09:22 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021105175108.00a98498@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 18:53:16 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <004901c281e8$7b4c7800$b1a3edc2@oemuser> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Loop preamplifier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Urban, LF Group, At 21:51 01/11/2002 +0100, you wrote: >The following items have been changed: > >The 2N3819:s are replaced by high current FET:s BF246C (the same pinout). >R3 and R4 are decreased from 2.2k to 270ohms >The source lead in each FET is broken up and 150 ohm (see below though) in >parallel with 0.1uF are inserted. >The leads between the drains of the FET:s to the bases of the 2N2222:s are >broken up and 47k in parallell with 0.1 uF are inserted. >R5 is decreased from 1k to 180 ohms. > As has been discussed on the reflector before, there are a number of design flaws in the G3LNP preamp design - Urban's mods deal with the problem of the loosely specified Idss and mismatch between the input FETS, and the low bias current in the output follower - a further problem is the way the output followers are biased. At DC the 2 emitters are effectively connected together via the output transformer. In order to get equal current in each output transistor, the base-emitter voltages must be exactly the same. A small mismatch in Vbe will cause a large change in Ic; eg. a 20mV mismatch will result in a roughly 2:1 ratio in the collector currents, 60mV will result in 10:1 ratio. Since the base voltages are determined by the FET characteristics, even if it is possible to set up the FET bias for exactly equal voltages on the output transistor bases, and select output transistors with accurately matched Vbe, a few degrees of temperature change will cause the collector currents to drift severely. In practice this means that the amplifier will always be working with one output transistor effectively cut off, so it will actually be working as a single-ended amplifier instead of a balanced push-pull amplifier. The 47k resistors in series with the output transistor bases that Urban has added will go some way to improving this situation, but a better way is to do the following: Remove R5 and C4 and connect the centre tap of the transformer to ground. Then break the connection between each emitter lead and the transformer, and insert a resistor of, say, 330R bypassed by a 100n or larger capacitor in series with each emitter. Now, the two output transistors are independently biased, and will have fairly accurately matched currents provided the FET drain voltages are within about +/- 1V of each other. With the FET bias set for 6V on each drain, the emitter current will be about 16mA in each transistor. Having the output stage better balanced should reduce the distortion. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU