Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26355 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2002 19:12:52 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Nov 2002 19:12:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 24849 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2002 19:11:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Nov 2002 19:11:47 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 188mcY-0005pW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:10:46 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.146] (helo=mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 188mcW-0005pG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:10:45 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021104191012.KZCE3817.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:10:12 +1300 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([210.55.147.234]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20021104191011.NKGD24544.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:10:11 +1300 Message-ID: <003a01c28435$f690c0d0$f33658db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021104143711.00a8f908@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:10:35 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: VS: Feeding an inverted L-antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Jan-Martin, Jim and others, I also agree with comments that a series inductor (the traditional "loading coil") is the best approach for compensating capacitive reactance in amateur top-loaded verticals, and then either an autotransformer or L match to convert the R value to being reasonably close to the desired load resistance. > All this begs the question "why do people use T networks at HF?" The answer > is, I suppose, that at HF the degree of mismatch is usually smaller, > requiring a much lower loaded-Q network which is more practical to realise. > Also, being able to twiddle all 3 component values gives you a reasonable > chance of getting a good match, without having the faintest idea what the > antenna impedance actually is! At HF the antennas can present the full range of capacitive to inductive reactance, in combination with high to low resistance. This includes the transformer action of transmission lines that can "invert impedances" every quarter of a wavelength, so a multiband antenna and feeder can actually have a wide range of impedance presented at the shack end of a feeder. A high pass T tuner can address such a wide range of incidental impedances, in an effective manner. At LF, a top-loaded vertical has capacitance and low to medium series resistance, and transmission lines are of negligible length, the net result being that impedance is fairly restricted in limits, so the versalitity of a T network is not needed. Jim's calculations show why it should be avoided. 73, Bob ZL2CA