Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31776 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2002 14:28:11 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Nov 2002 14:28:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 27014 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Nov 2002 14:30:28 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2002 14:30:28 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18ByVd-0005kM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:28:49 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ByVd-0005kD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:28:49 +0000 Received: from host213-122-150-103.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.150.103] helo=main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18ByVc-0004hq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:28:48 +0000 Message-ID: <003101c28b20$d4b45e80$67967ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:27:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Spontaflex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Kevin, I think Jim has beaten me to the draw......why are so many people afraid of inductors these days?? This strange idea preceded the digital revolution that everything active ( using "non-ideal" op-amps) was "good". Passive filters take a lot of beating (they can be beaten in some areas with a lot of technology) for simpicity. This is particularly when the resistor component like inductors are made readily available from Toko. Whilst all filter design programs will yield "silly" inductor values it is possible to do what we always used to in amateur design....pick the nearest "prefered" value from the Toko list. These are not as good as home wound pot cores that Jim suggests but a lot less trouble. After selecting a "nearest" value use an AC analysis computer program to check that the response is still reasonable ( expensive software ?? ....there is a free one on my web site!) and tweak the caps a little if necessary. As to the effects of DCF39 ....(and it may be being useful as a BFO in that circuit !!) it is possible at the LF frequencies to build a bridged-T notch filter that will remove DCF39 with little loss in the 136 band. You will need a high Q inductor as its is only 1030Hz above the band , so a Q of about 130 will still leave you with 3dB loss at the top of the band. It should be possible to make a circuit with a Q or 500 to 600, which should make the in-band loss almost negligible. There is even an example in the AC analysis ZIP download (I think) using a 50uH inductor. The only difference might be it is easier to centre-tap the coil that use a capacitor "tap" (which was easier in the program) It good to see "Radio Destructor" articles surfacing again, even if the reason for them was that in 1964 a full spec transistor cost about 10% of the average weekly wage, valves were a lot cheaper. Happy constructing Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk