Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23803 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 00:23:45 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 00:23:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 13460 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 00:26:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 00:26:05 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18C7oy-0007Nz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:25:24 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18C7oy-0007Nq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:25:24 +0000 Received: from host213-122-65-164.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.65.164] helo=main) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #15) id 18C7ox-00077u-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:25:23 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c28b74$3489aba0$a4417ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:50:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Silicon b-e lights up !! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, Oh yes it does.....I've seen it and in fact we used to look at silicon Planar (Fairchild TM, I think) emitter junctions for poor doping and masking flaws using that in the early 1960s. You do need a few milliamps of current and It starts off as a red or orange glow round the emitter periphery when view under about 100x met. microscope. I think it "whitens up" as you increase the current. I still have a feeling that there may be some truth in what Andy says the hot electrons from the avalanche at a few milliamps could be forced quite deep into the device and some could easily be trapped by the collector. The thing is that most of the breakdown current is carried at the surface just under the SiO2 passivation. The field does not really aid electrons going deeper to the collector. It does inject hot electrons into "traps" the oxide and reduce the gain of the transistor as well. This is a similar effect to UVEPROMs I think. Motto never let BJTs run into eb avalanche breakdown ....and that includes RF devices being driven hard. Nat Sokal of Class-E fame has written papers on that. Rik's effect ......I have seen almost negative impedance characteristics on a curve tracer. I can not remember the condition but avalanche is very like gas discharge in some ways, and there is a well known sawtooth osc you can make with a neon and and a capacitor. Some devices have very (spacially) uneven breakdown and areas flicker on and off as they get hot. At the edge of breakdown there can be very unstable "spots" round a circular emitter which light up first. "Finger" emitters are more complicated as there is the radius of curvature effect on the field as well. All good fun it brings back memories from 40 years ago.....in the Post Ofiice Research Submerged Repeater Transistor group. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com