Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27818 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 20:34:55 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 20:34:55 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 6504 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 20:35:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 20:35:12 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17z12W-0004h2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:33:12 +0100 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17z12V-0004gt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:33:12 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 7837 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 20:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ukfw1.ge.boc.com) (193.131.2.157) by server-16.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 20:33:09 -0000 Received: from z-160-100-160-136.est.ibm.com ([160.100.160.136]) by ukfw1.ge.boc.com; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:33:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id TP3FG0CV; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:36:19 +0100 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:33:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:33:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Lasso alias loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=EXCHANGE_SERVER,INVALID_MSGID,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SPAM_PHRASE_05_08version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Mal, > My loop uses the same wire as the vertical antenna and radials. I use multi strand 2.5 mm insulated > electrical wire. OK, that's the same as US AWG #10 which is about 15% lower in Rac per foot compared to Mike's #12, when some ground loss is figured in. >The loop is vertical and the top wire is up abt 70 ft and its natural resonant freq is 90 metres. That would make the perimeter about 1.5 times larger than our loops, which is good. The Rac total would be about 1.5 ohms. You will need a 6 to 1 transformer able to handle your power level installed at the feedpoint of the loop. What are you using for this? BTW, on Receive the transformer increases the signal by 6X . You also need a resonant capacitor bank in series with the loop and secondary of the transformer of about 7000pf and able to withstand your power level. This would mean many kv and many amps. What are your using for this? What I think you are doing, based on the impression I got when you set up this loop earlier in the year, is that you have left out the transformer and the resonant capacitor bank and are trying to achieve the matching back in the shack. Not surprising because these are difficult components to obtain in the 1kw power range. What makes the US lowfer band so easy (and fun) is the transformer can be as simple as 6 turns on a 1/2" ferrite core and a 500v dipped mica can be used as the resonant capacitor. IF this is the case, would you please do the following for me and the rest of the loop enthusiasts? : Install the transformer and resonant capacitor bank - able to handle a power level that is not too difficult to achieve, say 50 -100W. Reduce your transmitter's power to this level and make A/B comparisons between your vertical and the loop, with contacts in the general direction to which your loop is pointed. I bet my bottom dollar that you will be impressed with the results! Best regards, Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com