Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11012 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 17:06:38 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 17:06:38 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 18212 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 16:38:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 16:38:24 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17yxM2-0004Fz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:37:06 +0100 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17yxM2-0004Fj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:37:06 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 10206 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 16:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ukfw1.ge.boc.com) (193.131.2.157) by server-13.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 16:37:03 -0000 Received: from z-160-100-160-136.est.ibm.com ([160.100.160.136]) by ukfw1.ge.boc.com; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:36:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id TP3FG7J7; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:35:33 +0100 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:32:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:32:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: Loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=EXCHANGE_SERVER,INVALID_MSGID,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dave S, Thank you for the words of support relative to my thoughts on how loop antennas can be the best match for ones back yard environment, and at times, the ONLY match. I hope that the 'jabbing' going on between die-hard vertical and loop users relative to the advantages of either antenna is not taken seriously by anyone since it is (at least to most of us) just part of the fun in LF communicating. The qth.net reflector is loaded with this type of humor and in fact the 'loop guys', 'loopers', or are whatever, are continually jabbing at each other. Hope the interest in LF over there perks up once the winter season is in full swing! Bill A -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sergeant [mailto:dsergeant@connectfree.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:10 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Loops Well discussion about loops certainly leads to strong views on this reflector! Bill is correct in saying that the satisfaction in using them is that many say they don't work! Those with big plots and good ground (eg a certain station in the Scarborough area) may well get better results from verticals. Those of us not so lucky and without the incentive to move to Scarborough do not find it so and loops certainly should not be dismissed as a useless antenna. A loop has certainly allowed me to have much fun on the band, and while never a big signal I did at least have reasonable results and some great QSOs - which is really what amateur radio is about. As my website shows, a loop at this QTH (still up after three years and never had to be retuned) has Bill's 6dB advantage over the best vertical I could put up. Each QTH has its own characteristics on LF and it is up to us as experimenters to work out the best antenna for one's own circumstances. In this context dismissing loops as out of the question is not in the spirit of amateur radio. I hope to be back on the band in due course once the novelty of 5MHz has worn off - and hopefully current efforts will get more normal CW activity on the band. 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com