Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5560 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2002 21:38:43 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 21:38:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 9757 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Aug 2002 21:43:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2002 21:43:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17fTvw-000059-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:21:40 +0100 Received: from mail.mcf.com ([165.254.158.18]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17fTvv-000053-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:21:39 +0100 Received: from w2ksn (192.55.122.104) by mail.mcf.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.1.3) for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:29:30 -0400 Message-ID: <004101c244a2$6b6b73b0$687a37c0@w2ksn> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <76.20a5d68e.2a8954d1@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020813153546.00aa3f28@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Limiter in Jason reception Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:26:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Jim and all, > BTW, when watching the decoder in action, "G4JNT" first decoded correctly, > then the decoder retrospectively blanked out the "G" - On the whole, I > think it would be useful if the decoder prints some character even if it > "knows" the character is wrong - perhaps a non- alphanumeric character like > a question mark or just a blank. That way, the operator would know how many > characters had been missed - although it would mean more garbage on the screen. The decoder does print a lower case 'x' for invalid characters. Your case is a different bug -- the decoder mistakenly thought that the symbol phase had changed, and there was no place for a character with the new phase. Unfortunately, one can't simply ignore such shifts; we need to accommodate restarts at the Tx end, retuning of the Rx, Tx started after Rx, etc. So the decoder needs to compare, using a suitable metric, the quality of the various choices, and output the most robust. This will still sometimes be wrong, but it should be a significant improvement. I'll try to address this in the next version. 73, Stewart