Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8074 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 23:39:31 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 23:39:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 11086 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2002 23:39:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 2002 23:39:38 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17f9Q6-0006Dn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:27:26 +0100 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17f9Q5-0006Di-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:27:25 +0100 Received: from tnt-5-38.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.38] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17f7fX-00073f-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:35:16 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c243ec$f21fac20$26c828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6a.23b88f69.2a798441@aol.com> <00a301c238e9$2266e7e0$389437d2@xtr743187> <000a01c242fb$2b68ace0$7211f4cc@jsm> Subject: LF: Re: Oscillator Stabilty for QRSS? Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:41:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Steve >I would like to start building the exciter stages for what will be my 136KHz tx (hopefully we will have access to the band within the year!). In the early period of 73kHz experiments I first used an audio signal generator as an exciter then VFO. Neither of these were stable but was useful to get going. When 136kHz became available I used an old RF signal generator, which was better, fine for CW but QRSS signals were slightly frequency modulated by the keying and produced distinctive wiggle on the received display. I would imagine the synthesized signal generators would be OK. >The DJ1ZB exciter (modified by DF3LP) is the circuit that I am questioning. It mixes two xtal controlled 4MHz oscillators, 136 KHz apart, to extract the 136KHz signal. I used a two crystal arrangement with FETs and then was became aware of the DJ1ZB design so I used his amplifier/driver and filter. I used differential capacitor tuning with no inductors. By this I mean increasing the capacitance across the one crystal while reducing it on the other. By this time test transmissions were being made for transatlantic tests. In this situation the requirement was to maintain the frequency within 1Hz over several hours. This proved difficult with the crystal mixer arrangement. Alan Melia, G3NYK, kindly supplied me with several crystal pairs, the lower frequency crystals gave better stability but a reduced tuning range as you might expect. My first 136kHz transatlatic crossband QSO was done using a two crystal exciter. >Can I build two VFO's, somehwere around 1MHz and set them 136KHz apart, that will be stable enough to handle QRSS work? No. Use crystals with no inductors or a synthesized signal generator; or go for DDS. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web