Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14793 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 11:43:37 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 11:43:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 23440 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2002 11:42:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jul 2002 11:42:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17WbSk-0001Ez-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:34:50 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17WbSj-0001Eu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:34:50 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17WbSj-0000uY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:34:49 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17WbSi-0005ya-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:34:48 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020722115457.00aca6e0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:34:47 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: Calculating ERP from measured field strength In-reply-to: <17Vx1m-26WSIKC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020720155223.00ae8e80@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 18:24 20/07/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Jim, > >you measured field strength at distances between about 1.5 and 3km. >did you ever measure at distances >3xlambda, p.e. abt 7km? >if you did, did you notice different results caculating the ERP? > >regards >Uwe/dj8wx > Dear Uwe, LF Group, Yes, last year I measured field strength at distances between a few 100 metres and about 10km - The ERP calculated was reasonably constant provided the distance was greater than about 600m. Dick's measurements seem to show that this is also true at 329km, provided you take ground loss into account. Distances < 600m gave higher apparent ERP, which is consistent with being in the near field of the antenna. The text books say, with various qualifications, that the far-field region with FS proportional to 1/distance starts at about lambda/2pi, ie 350m at 136k. The limiting factor for long distances would seem to be the presence of skywave, especially at night. I used distances between 1.5 and 3km partly because I knew these would give consistent measurements with good SNR, and partly to reduce the amount of petrol I needed to put in my car! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU