Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21807 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 09:59:29 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 09:59:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23722 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 09:58:37 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 09:58:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Sx8w-0007si-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:55:18 +0100 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Sx8v-0007s6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:55:17 +0100 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be ([10.33.165.177]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6C9skJA096952 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:54:46 +0200 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020712114012.00bbae30@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:58:05 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: polarization of small loops In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711180215.00abbba8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020710141708.00ba0208@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <5.1.0.14.0.20020710113519.00a82c30@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <01C227EF.24643850.g4jnt@thersgb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Jim, LF group, >In the far field, the E field vector of a small loop is always parallel to >the plane of the loop and at right angles to the direction of propagation >- so an observer standing on the ground the E-field is always vertical for >a vertical loop, irrespective of where the loop is being fed. The >assumption made for a small loop is that the current is constant >throughout the loop, and since it is the current that is responsible for >the production of the radiated waves, it makes no difference if the loop >is rotated around its axis, which is effectively the same thing as >changing the feed point. OK, that makes sense. I received a similar explanation from Claudio Gerardi (IN3OTD), thanks to both. >If there is no ground plane, ie. in free space there is no meaningful way >of distinguishing horizontal and vertical, so one just talks of "linear" >polarization, with an angle relative to some convenient set of coordinates >- bur the E field will still always be at right angles to the direction of >propagation and parallel to the plane of the loop. I agree on the relativity of horizontal/vertical in free space. But since the polarization of a small loop is parallel to the plane of the loop one could state that when the loop is assumed to be vertical (wherever the loop is) polarization will also be vertical. >BTW, does anybody know what the directive gain of a small, vertical loop >above a ground plane is? The text books always talk about loops in free >space - for a loop in free space it is 1.5, same as for an infinitesimal >dipole. But I would imagine that when very close to an ideal ground plane >the directive gain would increase by 3dB to 3, by analogy with a short >monopole over a ground plane. This would also increase the radiation >resistance of the loop by a factor of 2, as in the case of a monopole >versus a free-space dipole of the same length. These factors would make a >significant difference in the calculation of the relative efficiency of >loop vs, vertical TX antennas. That would have been my next question ... And to make things more complex, what about a loop close to a not-so-perfect ground plane ? Either the loop is not (or little affected) by the ground. That means little or no groundloss (as is claimed by some) but at the same time it would mean that the loop will also not benefit from any "ground gain". On the other hand, if the loop benifits form significantly from "groundgain" then I would expect that the loop would also suffer from the groundlosses, as a vertical monopole does. Any clues ? 73, Rik ON7YD PS : A Dutch proverb says "One fool can ask more questions than a hundred wise men can answer"