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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:06:37 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" <fitec@omskcity.com>
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Subject: Re: LF: Counterpoise Experiment
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Hi James and Group. 

On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, James Moritz wrote:

> It seems to me that in this case, where most of the antenna field (and 
> therefore the displacement current) is going to the ground rather than the 
> counterpoise,  most of the return current will still be flowing in the 
> ground, even if the counterpoise is insulated from ground. Rather than 
> returning directly to the grounded terminal of the TX output, this current 
> would have to flow through the capacitance between the counterpoise and 
> ground. This means there must be a voltage between the counterpoise and 
> ground - if the  ground-counterpoise capacitance is roughly 20 times that 
> of the antenna-ground capacitance (7nF and 340pF respectively - which is 
> what I estimate in this case), the counterpoise voltage would be roughly 
> 1/20 of the antenna voltage. In my antenna system, this would put an RF 
> voltage of about 1kV on the counterpoise when running at full power - so 
> the counterpoise, antenna tuner and isolating transformer between TX output 
> and tuner would all have to be insulated to withstand this voltage, making 
> things quite complicated again... 

This is a reason why isolated elevated conterpoise should reduce loss.
Certanly it will be current in the ground. But it density shuold be 
redused.

Any way to reduce loss by elevated conterpoise all antenna the current
SHOULD return through conterpoise othervice it is no meaning.

The advantage would be that the 
> resistance of the ground path should be reduced, since the ground 
> "connection" is effectively the whole area of the counterpoise, decreasing 
> the loss due to this source. However, many experiments have shown that the 
> resistance of the ground connection is only a minor factor in the overall 
> losses in a small antenna like this one (3ohms is probably not that 
> unrealistic), so I would expect little improvement overall.

I think in such a configuration enviroment losses should decreace also.
Trees, buildings e.t.c. are connected to the ground, not to isolated (!!!)
conterpoise. 


Any way Your experiment is very informative. Thanks a lot!

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb