Return-Path: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 21076 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 04:33:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 22 May 2002 04:33:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 1246 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 04:33:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 May 2002 04:33:28 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17ANmC-0007ZJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 May 2002 05:31:04 +0100 Received: from astral.infomsk.ru ([212.164.44.2] helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17ANmB-0007ZE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 May 2002 05:31:03 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu07.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.119]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA3ceb1dc110bb for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 11:25:37 +0700 (OSS) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:06:09 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Burred conterpoise Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi, Group! I have just derived formula for ground loss when conterpoise is burred. Configuration is the same then conterpoise is elevated. But now h is conterpoise depth. Also wire radius r appears in the formula. Ground loss resistance for this case is: R = 0.5*R0*ln( (H+h)^4/(8*H^2*r*h) If H>>h then it can be simplifired: R= 0.5*R0*ln( H^2/(8*r*h) ) As for elevated conterpoise it should be h>r here. It seems interesting then if h=r (conterpoise is lie on ground surface) formulas for elevated and burred conterpoise yeld approximately the same. Some difference is not suprisely because this is the limit when formulas works. Also it seems very interesting and worth that antenna ground loss resistance is NOT EQUAL to such a ground system resistance (on DC for example). Groung system (horisontal burred wire) resistance is: R = 0.5*R0*ln( l^2/(2*r*h) ) It is not very suprisely if note then E-field lines is essentialy different for ground system and antenna with burred conterpoise. If it is an antenna E-field lines starts on conterpoise and goes to antenna. If it is a 'pure' ground system E-field lines starts on the conterpoise and goes to infinity. Another field configuration yelds another resistance. It seems to me extremely worth then formulas show the conderpoise wich lie on soil surface is the extremely bad case. To reduce losses conterpoise should be elevated or burred to adequate depth. To elevate is better... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb