Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27383 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 05:14:42 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 30 May 2002 05:14:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5653 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 05:14:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 May 2002 05:14:17 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17DH2F-00018S-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:55:35 +0100 Received: from mail4.messagelabs.com ([212.125.75.12]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17DH2E-00018N-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:55:34 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 24928 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 03:55:31 -0000 Received: from merimac.us.gases.boc.com (HELO merimac) (204.149.80.4) by server-2.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 03:55:31 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:03:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Loop Amperage ~~~~~~ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:44:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Couple of addendum's to my earlier post: >The ERP for 1w of input is now 81mw. To reach a 1w ERP the current multiplier will need to be >only 1/.081 = 12.3 X 1.5 = 18.5A. It should be sq rt(1/.081) yielding only 3.51 X 1.5 = 5.3A for the 450ft wide loop to produce an ERP of 1w. The power input would be only I^2 x R = 28 x 3.42 = 99w. (Think there is a small error in this calculation and should be closer to 110w) So the increased size does make a lot of difference! Rik Strobbe, however, pointed out the importance of taking into account the radiation resistance difference between 185k and 136k, which is a forth power effect for loop antennas. (185/136)^4 = 3.42. So the radiation resistance, hence the radiated power, must be lowered by this factor. My big loop at 100w would only produce .9/3.42 = .26w ERP at 136k ........ (Darn!). But to be fair, the vertical has a (185/136)^2 = 1.85 radiation resistance factor and that does give the vertical a 2.67db advantage over the loop between the two bands. So back to the original question about the input power needed to reach 1w ERP (at 136k): That would be 3.42 x 110w = 376w. The current in the loop based on a Rac of 3.5 ohms would be 10.4A. Here's the numbers for a low cost Europeon #12 AWG loop at 136k (where the input limit is 1KW): Rac total for a 450'x50' loop = 10.5 ohms. At a 1w input the loop current is sq rt(1/10.5) = .31A. The ERP is 12.3 x 10^-3 x .31^2 = 1.18mw. In order to reach an ERP of 1w the input power will need to be 1/.00118 = 848w. The loop current to develop 848w is sq rt (848/10.5) = 9.0A. So put away the fire hose! Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by UUNET delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit http://www.uk.uu.net/products/security/virus/