Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10466 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 23:30:38 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO marstons.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.223) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 28 May 2002 23:30:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10334 invoked by uid 10001); 28 May 2002 23:34:29 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 May 2002 23:34:29 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17CqM5-0002ns-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 May 2002 00:26:17 +0100 Received: from mail4.messagelabs.com ([212.125.75.12]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17CqM4-0002nn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 May 2002 00:26:16 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 29651 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 23:26:14 -0000 Received: from merimac.us.gases.boc.com (HELO merimac) (204.149.80.4) by server-8.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 23:26:14 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:34:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Loop Amperage ~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:15:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi 136-ers, >Everyone in EU is screaming to the ARRL and the FCC to permit you folks to use 1W erp. I have >calculated the amperage to your loop to achieve this 1W erp and the figures >frighten me. You said your loop was suspended amongst trees and I would say >with this high amperage I will be able to see your smoke signals before I >hear you signal. Let us have your calculated antenna amperage to see if my >figures compare? Well let's see...... I presently have ~1w input into the loop and the current is ~1.5A. If I go to an input of 100w the current will be sq rt 100 x 1.5 = 15A. From a 'wasted power' standpoint the loop is a big 100w wire wound resistor covering 50'x 50' = 2500 sq ft. Don't see a problem here. Could even be a good perch for the birds in the winter? The present ERP with a 1w input is about 1mw (according to the radiation resistance formula that I like the best). I would therefore have to run 1KW to produce a 1w ERP and a current of sq rt 1000 = 31.6 X 1.5A = 47.4A . Well, yes, that frightens me too. BUT..... If I utilize my 450ft wide back woods the situation improves. The radiation resistance goes up to the square of the loop area gain to 81X. The ERP for 1w of input is now 81mw. To reach a 1w ERP the current multiplier will need to be only 1/.081 = 12.3 X 1.5 = 18.5A. The actual input power for this loop will depend on the conductor used. I calculate the total Rac (including soil loss) would have to be 2.92 ohms minimum for an input power of 1KW, and 18.5A, and this would be equivalent to a 2.92/9 = .325 ohm Rac with a 50'x50' loop. (So my 4 x #12 Litz conductor or a 1/2" Cu pipe would be required...... not cheep!) So, it appears that all I am doing, when power limited like this, is to spread out the 1KW power loss over a larger portion of the back woods! But at least it's doable. Comments, please. Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by UUNET delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit http://www.uk.uu.net/products/security/virus/