Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11665 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 16:53:01 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 May 2002 16:53:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4375 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 16:52:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 May 2002 16:52:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 177fPr-0000rU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 May 2002 17:44:47 +0100 Received: from mail4.messagelabs.com ([212.125.75.12]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 177fPq-0000rP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 May 2002 17:44:46 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 8681 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 16:44:21 -0000 Received: from merimac.us.gases.boc.com (HELO merimac) (204.149.80.4) by server-14.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 14 May 2002 16:44:21 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:51:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: litz wire Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:34:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Mal and LF group, Thanks for all the comments on how to strip the Litz wire. I'm continuing to experiment and last night I placed a sample of the wire in my paint stripper for an overnight test. This morning the color had changed from a red to a typical bare copper color, but a check of the conductivity indicated there is still some insulation remaining. It's back in the stripper at the moment for another dose. My conclusion is that this stripper is too weak to handle the job. Typical of most dangerous products on the market these days, it's probably been 'watered down'. Mal, I'll check the ingredients tonight and see if Methylene dichloride is one of them. Thanks for this. BTW, with all due respect, I don't buy your: "3mm litz wire is marginally better than normal 2.5mm stranded insulated wire the advantage is small", if you are talking TX loops (which may not have been the case). My TX loop measurements indicate the Litz would be 2.4x lower in Rac, separate from the soil loss, which runs 0.22 ohms (dry) on my 50'/50' loops. I should have a complete table of many TX loop conductor configurations with Rac totals, including soil loss from <0.40 (4xlitz) to 1.4 (single #12), completed in about a week. Bill A Hello Bill and all To remove the enamel from litz wire I use paint stripper called nitromorse. Remove all the cotton/plastic insulation from the cable end to be soldered to expose the multi strand enameled wires. Brush the end of cable with a tooth brush to separate the strands and flatten out. Use the tooth brush to apply the paint stripper to the splayed out cable strands, making sure it gets to all the strands. Leave for about 10 minutes or more, then brush away the disolved enamel. I carry out this process twice to ensure that all enamel has been removed. The final job is to wash the exposed copper cable end with turps etc using a cloth, then start soldering. I strip back about 1 inch of the cable end. I have used the above procedure a number of times and it works well. Paint stripper and a tooth brush are readily available. This method is also economical on solder, no need for special tools like solder pots and bunsen burners. Any good paint stripper would do. My contents label says the stripper contains 5 - 20 percent Methylene dichloride, it does not say what the rest is. This is dangerous stuff to get on skin, eyes etc and brush away from you so that it does not flick into your eyes or skin. The container/can specifies what precautions are nessary for use. I find although 3mm litz wire is marginally better than normal 2.5mm stranded insulated wire the advantage is small compared to the effort required to solder and weight considerations, especially for large loops or horizontal wire antennas. I also have noticed since winding my 0.5 mH loading coil for the vertical with 3 mm litz wire it is more critical to keep on the nose at resonance, possibly because of the higher Q than the previous 2.5 mm multi strand insulated copper wire. I hope these observations help you. My current 90 metre perimiter loop uses 2.5 mm insulated wire. I use it for RX only and as said previously I have to throttle the RF gain back on even the very weak signals. I do not use any preamps only the RX or Level meter SPM 12. I cannot see any advantage using litz for this purpose. To use the loop on TX there would be an advantage using litz but probably the db gain would hardly be noticeable. Very small loops on LF like 1 metre square etc might be a different story, but this does not apply in my case. 73 de Mal/G3KEV _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by UUNET delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. 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