Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19976 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 09:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 May 2002 09:50:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29963 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 09:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 May 2002 09:50:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 177Yua-00080w-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 May 2002 10:48:04 +0100 Received: from nat5.excitenetwork.com ([63.236.75.7] helo=xmxpita.excite.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 177YuZ-00080r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 May 2002 10:48:03 +0100 Received: by xmxpita.excite.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 07F173DF5; Tue, 14 May 2002 05:47:31 -0400 (EDT) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Ground loss Received: from [62.253.64.8] by xprdmailfe8.nwk.excite.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2002 05:47:31 EST From: "john sexton" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: computernetworks@excite.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20020514094731.07F173DF5@xmxpita.excite.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 05:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Sasha,
Are you sure that you have written the formula correctly?

Omega (2 Pi f) appears in "a" in the numerator and in "Xc" in the denominator and therefore cancels out, making the formula frequency independent!

Perhaps there is a typo??

73, John, G4CNN


--- On Tue 05/14, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote:
>
> Hi LF Group
>
> > On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, john sexton wrote:
> > If you do find a model that works, please let us know.
>
>
> On the base of my own "generalased mirror reflection theory" I
> just have
> derive the formula for ground loss resistance:
>
>
> R = (lant/lcp)*a*Xc
>
> where:
>
> lant - wire length of antenna,
> lcp - wire length of ground system (conterpoint),
> a = (eps0*w)/s,
> eps0 - dielectric constant (8.85e-12 F/m),
> w = 6.28*f - circular frequency,
> s - ground conductivity.
> Xc = 1/(w*C) - antenna reactance,
> C - antenna capasitance.
>
> For 136 kHz and s=1 mSm/m a is about 0.01
>
>
> The formula is very aproximative but yelds reasonable value of R.
>
> Now I work on more advanced formula wich should be more accurate.
>
> Any coments please!
>
> 73 de RA9MB/Alex
> http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb
>
>
>
>


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